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2011/12/19 18:55:13
Subject: Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Erlingur Grétar Einarsson: What [part of Prometheus] are you shooting in Iceland? What role in the film does it “play”?
Ridley Scott: It’s, you know, whenever you’re talking about science-fiction, it always sounds pretentious or corny. It’s actually “The beginning of time”. But I think we’ve got it right. (He laughs) So, it will be a pretty good beginning of time.
EGE: [The Prometheus’ cast] is a very impressive line-up.
RS: Yeah, you know, we were staying with the notion that there were no stars in the first film [1979's Alien]. I think it was [Weaver‘s] first film. They were not stars.
EGE: Skerritt had some name recognition, maybe at the same level Fassbender is now.
RS: Yeah. I didn’t make that as a plan, you know. Sometimes it’s better when you have a story, where you’re gonna lose people during the story, that they are lesser known. Of course, Charlize [Theron] is very well known, but she hangs around ‘till the end. (He laughs)
EGE: So you are linking this directly with the Alien films?
RS: Not at all.
EGE: Not at all?
RS: No.
EGE: No?
RS: I mean, you could actually say, and there’s a quote I did, a pretty good quote: By the end of the third act you start to realize there’s a DNA of the very first alien, but none of the subsequent aliens. To tell you what that is is a pity, and I’m not going to tell you, because it’s actually pretty good, pretty organic to the process and to the original. But we go back, we don’t go forward.
EGE: The official synopsis from Fox says that this revolves around the “Alien Gods”, the “Space Jockey” from the first film.
RS: Yeah, so there you have that. I was always amazed that, I mean, I’ve only done two science-fictions, but I was always amazed that no one asked who the hell the Space Jockey was. He wasn’t even called the Space Jockey. During the film they started to call it the Space Jockey. I don’t know who started that one off. I always thought it was amazing that no one ever asked who he was, and why was he there? What was all that about? I sat thinking about this for a while and thought, well, there’s a story! And the other four [films] missed it! So, here it is.
EGE: Will you be using any of Giger’s original design for this film?
RS: We’ve had a pretty good relationship with Giger for many years. I was the first one to go see him in Switzerland, and persuade him to get on a plane. He wouldn’t get on a plane, because he was afraid of flying. And he finally came to Shepperton. He was with me for eleven months. Never went into town, stayed over a pub in Shepperton. Very non-Giger, not exotic. You’d think he’d be in a suite in a hotel. He’s in a pub. He was in a room over a pub, and he was very happy there. And yeah, I brought him in, I showed him what we were doing, showed him the story and he liked it a lot. So he’s doing a little bit of work for me. He’s been doing some murals, big murals, which we’ll see in almost one of the first chambers we encounter when we land where we’re gonna go.
EGE: The tone of the film, according to the official synopsis, and the tone of the premise, sounds a lot more mythological than the original Alien films. The original Alien films revolved around industrial settings and premises and social situations rather than anything mythological.
RS: The original Alien was a pretty savage engine. I’ve always said it was a C-movie done in an A-way. Because it was the Old Dark House, you know. Seven people in the Old Dark House, and they’re all going to die. (He laughs) And they’re gonna die horribly and that in itself is a tricky exercise, because you can do it well, you can do it badly. But somehow that worked. It turned out pretty well.
I think one of the reasons why I’ve never gone back to science-fiction, even though I’ve often noodled around, thought about it, looked for story, looked for material, is that there’s a nice purity to the original Alien. It’s fairly pure. And this one does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one – I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first Alien] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?
Also, I ring off of… there’s a writer, Erich von Däniken. One of his most famous books was called Chariots of the Gods. Everyone thinks he was out of his mind, you know, for number one, “we are the creation of gods”, if you go back to the 19th century anthropologists, Darwin, and say if you go look at Darwin for the moment and look at the Darwinian idea, the Darwinian thesis, which is seemingly very logical. You know, you’re going from something that gradually comes to two legs and gradually here we are. Then you can go beyond that and you look more mathematically at the feasibility of how we’re able to be sitting here, right now, in this place. I’m talking to you, and I’ve got this thing (he picks up his cellphone) which looks like Star Trek. This is “Beam me up, Scotty”-stuff. You wouldn’t have believed this thing could exist thirty years ago.
[Editor's note: And here is where he really takes off:]
Things have changed so dramatically that you can start looking at the idea that all our history can be completely wrong and misguided. Because at some point someone has to put a statement down and have their own thesis, have their own theories. That was then later accepted or later is gradually dissolved and re-drawn or reworked. So now you’ve got the whole changed attitude with NASA, the church and I think even Hawking. Over the last thirty years have gone from “It’s highly unlikely that there’s anyone else in our galaxy, any other force, being in our galaxy,” to now, where they’re conceding that there are probably thousands of different lifeforms in this galaxy. And I think Hawking actually said, “Let’s hope they don’t visit.” And I think the church has conceded as well that it would not be against the word of God if we conceded that there are other lifeforms in this galaxy.
So, if you take that out, then the door is open. To me, it’s entirely logical. It’s entirely ridiculous to believe that we are the only ones here. That’s why my first thought is that for us to be sitting here right now is actually mathematically impossible without a lot of assistance. Who assisted? Who made the right decisions? Who was pushing and pulling to adjust us? That’s a fair question.
EGE: Prometheus has the Brandywine production tag on it [a Production slate only used for Alien films since 1979] Do you feel any pressure going back to that world?
RS: No. Not at all, really. I had a good time making it. They gave me an opportunity to make it. I’d only done The Duellists at that point which was actually a pretty good film. Then someone had bizarrely seen it at Cannes and thought, “I wonder if he wants to do science-fiction,” which couldn’t be more different. I read it and thought, “Wow! This is fantastic,” because at that moment I was engaged in a lot of, I was reading a lot Jean Giraud’s “Moebius” stuff. The great French illustrator, beyond everything. I’d been looking at him just with the view to, you know, one day I wanted to do science-fiction. I’d seen Stanley Kubrick’s 2001 and that for me was certainly a door opening. You go, “Wow, that works,” and what am I gonna do?
So, I happened to be looking at Moebius’ stuff, just out of interest, because I’m a really… I can really draw and paint. I was really influenced by what I saw, but didn’t know where to apply it. When I read the Alien script, I just saw Moebius all the way, and I said, “I’ll do it! I know how to do it!” I was in Hollywood, and we sat for 22 hours straight. “Do you want to change it?” – “Nope.” – “What do you want to do?” – “Shoot it.” That was it. Bingo. People were saying, “Let’s rewrite the third act, that is a disaster.” I said, “I’ll do it.” Once you’re doing it, you can adjust it.
EGE: Do you see Noomi [Rapace] as something of a successor to Sigourney?
RS: Yeah, I mean, they’re quite different women. Sigourney, to start with, is 6’1’’ in stocking feet, and Noomi insists that she is 5’1’’ in stocking feet. (He laughs) I look at a lot of foreign movies, and unfortunately a lot of mainstream movies aren’t terribly good. You know. (He laughs)
The most influential for me are the new ones around the corner, and I look at a lot of foreign films and a lot of Scandinavian films. The Scandinavians have a very good touch for making movies, you guys (Icelanders) as well. I saw Dragon Tattoo a year ago, the first one. And, “Wow, who is that?” and from that I said, “This is the girl that’s going to do the film.” She came to L.A. and I met with her, and discovered that she’s in fact extraordinarily posh, as opposed to punk. So there was a real actress. A real actress, very, very good. So, I don’t know, she will just do great.
EGE: She has this same fire that Sigourney brought, as well.
RS: I would say that Noomi’s even more volatile and passionate. And sure, she looks good. But the combination of that and intelligence is a great combination.
EGE: Final question. I have a feeling what the answer will be, but many want to know. Will we see the original xenomorph in Prometheus?
RS: No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!
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2011/12/19 22:40:19
Subject: Re:Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
The only thing I got from stream of consciousness spewing out of Ridley Scott's mouth is that the guy appears to be doing an epic amount of coke. Which probably explains why that Robin Hood movie of his sucked so bad.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/12/20 11:03:28
Subject: Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
As much as I've loved Aliens in the past (used to collect all the toys and a bunch of the comics) nothing much of what I've heard of this new movie is really exciting me at all. There's so little talk of the Aliens, just the Space Gods, who apparently get punked by humans taking their favorite weapon and turning it back on them.
2011/12/20 11:35:54
Subject: Re:Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Actually the teaser trailer for the trailer shows something that looks like acid blood and 'hissing'. Ridley stated the Alien WILL be in the movie; just in a form that people may not recognise. (hints to a Proto-alien). This movie will be amazing because Ridley has stated since Alien that this is really the movie he's been dying to do. Hes always wanted to do something involving/exploring the Space Jockies.
2011/12/20 11:55:40
Subject: Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Just because it's something he really wants to do doesn't mean it has to be amazing... It's just hearing what he says about it doesn't really excite me at all. I think I would be more excited if I simply knew they were making an Alien prequel and never read his thoughts on it. Maybe it's just the rambling way he talks.
2011/12/20 12:19:57
Subject: Re:Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
I'm reasonably excited. Good cast, and Scott has made some of my favorite movies, even if others (Robin Hood) have been kind of crap.
He does come off as on drugs, though. Referencing van Daniken in any serious way other than a "wouldn't it be fun if some part of this were true?" sense always makes a person look like an idiot. His stuff about the probability of extraterrestrial life is backwards and incoherent too. To my recollection 30 years ago science DID did think the universe was basically infinite, and so mathematically there had to be alien life out there. More recently folks have raised the point that even if other intelligent life did/has developed, the other enormous obstacle to being in touch with them is time. Intelligent species could be yet to evolve, or could have evolved and gone completely extinct before we ever got or will get the chance to come anywhere near them. Travel times across space multiply this factor. More recently Hawking has ALSO raised the issue that even if we got lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to meet some other intelligent species, odds are that we may be unable to communicate and interact peacefully. And if we can't, likely outcomes are bad. Ref. the Ender's Game series.
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Aduro wrote:Just because it's something he really wants to do doesn't mean it has to be amazing... It's just hearing what he says about it doesn't really excite me at all. I think I would be more excited if I simply knew they were making an Alien prequel and never read his thoughts on it. Maybe it's just the rambling way he talks.
No, but it means hes going to do all in his power to make sure it goes right. I like how he rambles. Makes him seem human compared to hacks such as Michael Bay. Put yourself in his shoes; your going to make the one movie you've wanted to make your whole career, but had to wait for the technology to do it justice. Wouldn't you be rambing/giddy?
Besides; its not a true alien prequel. Its set in the alien universe; but the alien isn't the focus. Think more along the line of A Space Oddessy.
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2011/12/20 14:42:37
Subject: Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Lol, now we have trailers for trailers (see Medium of Death's post).
After Alien Resurrection and the two Alien vs Predator films, I'll be quite glad of a film that either doesn't include them at all or at least knows how to use them in a more subtle way.
At the end of the day, this is a sci fi which at the risk of making sweeping generalisations, is what most of us love to see, so whilst Ridley is ever more hit and miss, I'll be happy to give this a go.
Well, you know, this sounds like a good.. you know, film, I guess.
I tried to, you know, watch the trailer .. the trailer last night on my Apple TV, and my Apple TV said, you know, the trailer wasn't available. So I'll have to try again tonight, you know.
2011/12/20 17:27:35
Subject: Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Batman yesterday, The Hobbit trailer is supposed to be released today at some point, and tomorrow is Prometheus. It has been a big week for genre film marketing.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2011/12/20 18:00:31
Subject: Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Mannahnin wrote:Referencing van Daniken in any serious way other than a "wouldn't it be fun if some part of this were true?" sense always makes a person look like an idiot.
I'm not actually sure what he was even trying to say there, tbh.
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2011/12/21 02:03:11
Subject: Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Mr Hyena wrote:No, but it means hes going to do all in his power to make sure it goes right. I like how he rambles. Makes him seem human compared to hacks such as Michael Bay. Put yourself in his shoes; your going to make the one movie you've wanted to make your whole career, but had to wait for the technology to do it justice. Wouldn't you be rambing/giddy?
Ridley Scott has been getting to make whatever film he wants since Gladiator. If he'd really wanted to make a film about the Space Jockeys, he would have made it then. Instead he chose a whole bunch of other movies that he really wanted to make, Hannibal, Kingdom of Heaven, A Good Year, Body of Lies and Robin Hood*. All with excellent production values, all let down by terrible scripts that really treated the audience like idiots.
I'm not saying this film will be bad. I'm just saying Ridley Scott's form has not been great, nor is this film the one he's always wanted to make. If that were the case, he would have made in the ten year period in which he's had almost complete control over the movies he makes.
*To be fair, there was also Blackhawk Down in there, which was really good, and I've heard the directors cut of Kingdom of Heaven is a decent movie, compared to the gak cut we got in cinemas.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/12/21 06:40:16
Subject: Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Manchu wrote:I can confirm hating Kingdom of Heaven in theatres and loving it on bluray thanks to the director's cut. Good film to rent over the holidays, sebster.
Duly noted, I will definitely do that.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/12/21 09:04:09
Subject: Re:Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Ridley Scott has been getting to make whatever film he wants since Gladiator. If he'd really wanted to make a film about the Space Jockeys, he would have made it then. Instead he chose a whole bunch of other movies that he really wanted to make, Hannibal, Kingdom of Heaven, A Good Year, Body of Lies and Robin Hood*. All with excellent production values, all let down by terrible scripts that really treated the audience like idiots.
I'm not saying this film will be bad. I'm just saying Ridley Scott's form has not been great, nor is this film the one he's always wanted to make. If that were the case, he would have made in the ten year period in which he's had almost complete control over the movies he makes.
What stopped him was more the fact of budget arguing with Fox and technology.
2011/12/21 09:07:42
Subject: Re:Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Ridley Scott has been getting to make whatever film he wants since Gladiator. If he'd really wanted to make a film about the Space Jockeys, he would have made it then. Instead he chose a whole bunch of other movies that he really wanted to make, Hannibal, Kingdom of Heaven, A Good Year, Body of Lies and Robin Hood*. All with excellent production values, all let down by terrible scripts that really treated the audience like idiots.
I'm not saying this film will be bad. I'm just saying Ridley Scott's form has not been great, nor is this film the one he's always wanted to make. If that were the case, he would have made in the ten year period in which he's had almost complete control over the movies he makes.
What stopped him was more the fact of budget arguing with Fox and technology.
What a coincidence, that is the same thing that has kept me from making my $200 million sci-fi film.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2011/12/21 09:10:05
Subject: Re:Ridley's Prometheus: Sans Xenomorph? [Interview]
Mr Hyena wrote:What stopped him was more the fact of budget arguing with Fox and technology.
I don't believe that there wasn't the technology available ten years ago. Nor do I believe that studios would have greenlit $130 million for Kingdom of Heaven, Body of Lies for $70 million, and Robin Hood for a staggering $200 million, but FOX would have held off on Scott returning to his highly profitable alien franchise because they weren't willing to pony up $150 million.
I mean, those were mega-budget movies that went into production just because they were the movies Ridley Scott wanted to make. You should read up on the production of Robin Hood sometime, it makes for fascinating reading about how powerful A-list directors like Scott really are (long story short, the original script was part of a bidding war everyone was crazy about, it focussed on the Sherriff of Nottingham hunting this rebel/thied Robin the Hood, and the studio paid a fortune for the script. Scott was brought on board, but wanted more archery stuff in it, so he went and got another script written and that original script that everyone loved so much just got shelved).
Nor does it makes any sense that this is the film Scott always wanted to make, considering we know from news released in the early stages of the project that Scott originally only wanted to produce, but Fox insisted he was to direct. And that the original script he proposed in 2009 was rejected because it would have been an R rating and cost $250 million, and Scott was only too happy to commission a rewrite for a PG-13 budgeted at $150 million.
Nah, Scott's claim is just the standard industry line everyone gives when talking about their new project. It doesn't mean the film will be bad (in sci-fi Scott's record is basically two films made, and they happen to be among the best and most influential sci-fi films ever made), it basically just doesn't mean anything. Every film is the film the director has always wanted to make. Even when he got brought in at the 11th hour after someone else dropped off the project
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Mr Hyena wrote:Fox seems to be very...cautious about Aliens movies, especially after the terrible AvP movies.
Both AVP films were very strong box office performers, bringing in much more than their middling budgets. Which is sad because they were gak, b-movie approaches to an Aliens series that, while it hasn't always made great movies, it did always try to give us something more than just another horror movie.
Which is why, more than anything, I'm hoping Prometheus is really good, and does really well at the box office. Because maybe then they'll make the Aliens franchise into an A list series again, and maybe from there we'll see A list horror movies again.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.