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That vid had some good cinematics, was it a short, or is it a clip of a Feature Film?
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ME 109.
Better guns, more ammunition, and fuel injection as opposed to a carburettor which would lean out the Spitfires engine in Neg G.
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marv335 wrote:ME 109.
Better guns, more ammunition, and fuel injection as opposed to a carburettor which would lean out the Spitfires engine in Neg G.
Can we not make this about what plane is better?
Both had advantages and disadvantages.
The film is a very good film indeed...
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If I recall correctly, the Irish were occasionally given to letting British 'prisoners'..er.."wander off" near the border to NI, and there are rumours of U-Boat crews popping in for a pint in southern pubs.
The film is awesome. If I could just remember where I had seen the pilots before....
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DeadlySquirrel wrote:Which MK Spitfire are we talking here?
The experimental Mk1B. The only model IIRC to have both 20mm cannon and .303's.
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Kilkrazy wrote:A nice little film.
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I wonder how may fighter pilots did manage to get shot down in Ireland without realising it.
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I didnt think there were any daylight raids on Belfast. But apparently there were, occasionally, very occasionally places in Ireland even as far off course as Dublin were bombed. Took me a while for the shock of the film to clear through to logic, no way this could have been Ireland as the Me109 didn't have the range.
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Orlanth wrote:The experimental Mk1B. The only model IIRC to have both 20mm cannon and .303's.
Yep, until the universal wing came along after the Battle of Britain cannon equipped Spitfire were pretty rare. Those early cannon equipped Spits had issues and were IIRC converted back to machineguns.
I'd go with Spitfire. Beautiful looking plane which would go like hell. It also had a better climb rate than the 109, which was essential. Flying this plane in Aces High II is a blast once you get past the learning curve, and have modified sounds installed.
The performance of a plane has a number of factors; for example plane A might turn faster but plane B might climb faster. These factors can vary at different altitudes. Thus, the comparative advantage of any differences depends on the exact tactical situation.
Due to various factors the Spitfire of mid-1940 was arguably marginally worse in overall performance than the Me109, but obviously not enough to matter given the battle being fought.
New marks of the Spitfire, Me109 and Fw190 tended to leapfrog each other as improvements were introduced, such as heavier guns, a better turbo, or auto propeller pitch control.
The main technical advantage of western planes was the gyro gunsight, which all western fighters had by 1944. The Germans never got theirs into general service.
A maybe interesting fact, I recall a story about the earlier spitfires that talked about how the later models had improved tail armor. Apparently there was a spitfire pilot who had shot down a german bomber, the bomber was trailing smoke and had began to dive towards the ground. When the spitfire pilot pulled along side the bomber's cockpit he saw the pilot with his head down, unfortunately the pilot was feigning death. The bomber managed to pull behind the spitfire and blew the tail apart causing the spitfire pilot to eject. The pilot complained about it to command who said that it would interfere with its maneuverability, the pilot demanded armor and demonstrated a spitfire with tail armor to be just as maneuverable as one without it.
Not sure if its true, but it makes for a nice story.
A nice film to watch is "The Battle of Britain", the one shot in the 1960's. For the film the film producers actually went around europe beforehand collecting the aircraft from collectors and scrap yards and used real pilots instead of green screens and animations
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As with most things in war, you can spend forever debating exactly which weapons platform was superior, and come up with all kinds of points for each, but ultimately I don’t think any of it really matters compared to overall factors about the two forces involved.
In the Battle of Britain the RAF had radar, a sophisticated command and control network to make the best use of that radar, and they had a culture among their pilots that focused on overall squad effectiveness. The Luftwaffe had very crude command and control, and they had a culture of aces that saw the overall effectiveness of the unit diminished in order to enhance the kills total and reputation of the best pilot in each squad.
The two planes were fairly evenly matched, but the RAF won the battle decisively.
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