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I mean for the longest time in the 40K history the Empire did not trust psycher and used them on a limited base, and with constant supervision, reason the Thousand sons of Magus The Red were never really trusted by the emperor and he restricted what forms of psychic studies they were allowed to fallow, but then after the fall of the Thousands Sons at Leman Russ hands at the command of Horus in the great heresy the emperor change his mind and create the grey knights? I mean if it wasn't for Leman Russ the Thousand sons might of turned into the Grey Knights but it was not in the foreseen future for the legion because Chaos was able to turn a Loyal legion who tried stopping the Heresy, into one of the 4 most powerful of the chaos legions to turn out of the hundreds of legions that turned to chaos. Just curious when the Emperor finally saw the need for trusted Psycers and created the Grey Knights.
2012/03/12 15:47:11
Subject: Re:When was the Grey Knights first formed?
Are you talking about the GK armor, or Nemisis force weapons?
I do not understand the question.
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Top link gets you lexicanum, which has all the info you need.
Sorry I don't play Grey Knights, I figured since maybe someone that played grey knights would know, how dumb is that idea... I mean people don't care about fluff really these days, heck 4 out of 5 grey knights players don't even read all the rules in the grey knight codex.... of course most of them are still trying to pull rules from the Daemon hunter codex and not the grey knight codex.
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DeathReaper wrote:When was the Grey Knights first what formed?
Are you talking about the GK armor, or Nemisis force weapons?
I do not understand the question.
I think he means the chapter...
I thought that was fairly clear to be honest...
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so the date is not given in the grey knight book, it is just said near the end of the Horus heresy, the emperor knew he might not make it, and formed the grey knights to help protect the empire from Chaos because he knew he probably would not be able to keep a hands on approach to protecting his empire.
All you have to do is go, I don't know I wonder? and just waited for someone else to post some info, Pretre you didn't help in the discussion other to show you don't really care about fluff and just are a power gamer and will cheat when ever able to; or at least that is what your post hints at... guess you don't get good sportsmanship scores... but that is assuming you care... wait do they even use sportsmanship in rogue trader tournament still?
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2012/03/12 22:09:14
Subject: Re:When was the Grey Knights first formed?
Lexicanum wrote:Titan, through Malcador's mystical means, had been hidden away from the ravages of the Horus Heresy. When they arrived they found a Fortress-monastery already fully prepared and stocked with everything necessary to create a new army of Space Marines including supplies of gene-seed, which is suspected to have been taken from the Emperor directly, and all the necessary armaments. The fortress was also already populated with hundreds upon hundreds of suitable recruits from across the Galaxy. Some were raw and untrained, whilst others were selected in secret from among the ranks of loyalist Legions. This new army would be a Chapter - a smaller, tighter brotherhood of Space Marines than a Legion. Malcador could no longer remain and thus he appointed Janus, one of the eight original Space Marines, to be the Grey Knights leader and take the title of Supreme Grand Master. Before leaving, Malcador cast his greatest enchantment yet; he hid Titan away from Horus in the most unlikely of places, inside the Warp itself. Titan was protected by Macro-Geller fields and sigilic rites whilst the final battles of the Heresy took place in Real Space.10 p.6-7
When Titan eventually returned, the Second Founding was taking place. Whilst in the Warp, time had passed at a greater rate for Titan and so it had emerged not with the original eight Space Marines and their raw recruits, but with a full Chapter of one thousand fully trained Battle-Brothers
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I take offense to the comment about cheating. here let me help you:
cheat (cht)
v. cheat·ed, cheat·ing, cheats
v.tr.
1. To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
2. To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
3. To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
4. To elude; escape: cheat death.
v.intr.
1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.
3. Informal To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse.
4. Baseball To position oneself closer to a certain area than is normal or expected: The shortstop cheated toward second base.
n.
1. An act of cheating; a fraud or swindle.
2. One who cheats; a swindler.
3. A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game.
4. Law Fraudulent acquisition of another's property.
5. Botany An annual European species of brome grass (Bromus secalinus) widely naturalized in temperate regions.
simply because one uses the rules to their advantage makes them an opportunist, not a cheat.
ask Sun Tzu about what he thinks about opportunity, oh hell, here let me help you with that too:
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
man that really gets under my skin. you have to take every advantage you can on a battle field. suck it up if you can't compete.
<Inappropriate text redacted; let's avoid unnecessary Godwin'ing of threads, please --Janthkin>
The guy who plays grey knights refused to look up the Q&A for Grey Knights so I printed them off for him, he now only uses some of the Q&A and refuses to use all the changes because he thinks some of the changes the Q&A makes handy caps Grey Knights, but he does use every Q&A change that helps Grey Knights out.
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Ok, first. How in the 9 Hells of Gary Gygax did you bring Hitler into the thread?
And second, that one guy who plays GK would probably do the same with any army he played. It's not exactly fair to assume that every GK player is then the same, especially the guys who had the cajones to run pure-GK out of the old Daemonhunters codex.
infinite_array wrote:Ok, first. How in the 9 Hells of Gary Gygax did you bring Hitler into the thread?
And second, that one guy who plays GK would probably do the same with any army he played. It's not exactly fair to assume that every GK player is then the same, especially the guys who had the cajones to run pure-GK out of the old Daemonhunters codex.
i've only ever run pure GK off the Deamonhunters codex since they were launched.
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Rimmy wrote:I take offense to the comment about cheating. here let me help you:
cheat (cht)
v. cheat·ed, cheat·ing, cheats
v.tr.
1. To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
2. To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
3. To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
4. To elude; escape: cheat death.
v.intr.
1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.
3. Informal To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse.
4. Baseball To position oneself closer to a certain area than is normal or expected: The shortstop cheated toward second base.
n.
1. An act of cheating; a fraud or swindle.
2. One who cheats; a swindler.
3. A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game.
4. Law Fraudulent acquisition of another's property.
5. Botany An annual European species of brome grass (Bromus secalinus) widely naturalized in temperate regions.
simply because one uses the rules to their advantage makes them an opportunist, not a cheat.
ask Sun Tzu about what he thinks about opportunity, oh hell, here let me help you with that too:
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
man that really gets under my skin. you have to take every advantage you can on a battle field. suck it up if you can't compete.
Well when a player ignores rules that are printed in their codex even when you point out the rules, and ignore rules in the Q&A even after you point them out to them, and their reason for not following their codex or the Q&A is because it makes their army weaker and not as unstoppable, that is what I call cheating, and that is why at the store only 5 out of the 9 other players will play the grey knight player because he blatantly cheat and his excuse is because he don't like the rule.
So...
You know him in RL?
If you do can you take this dispute ther einstead?
It's within your rights to have an argument (no matter how if at all flawed) but this is like doing it in a place where everyone has to listen to you...
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"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
Wow I log off for a day and looks what happens. Geeze. Where's the sanction for 'pretre is a cheater'?
In all seriousness though, I thought I was helpful.
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pretre wrote:Wow I log off for a day and looks what happens. Geeze. Where's the sanction for 'pretre is a cheater'?
In all seriousness though, I thought I was helpful.
Let me Straighten this up right now, I am pretty sure the Grey knight player I play that cheats is not on these boards and if he is then I don't know his ID....
daniel79 wrote:Let me Straighten this up right now, I am pretty sure the Grey knight player I play that cheats is not on these boards and if he is then I don't know his ID....
And what does that have to do with you accusing pretre of being a cheater?
You know, this:
daniel79 wrote:Pretre you didn't help in the discussion other to show you don't really care about fluff and just are a power gamer and will cheat when ever able to; or at least that is what your post hints at...
That has be one of the most left field comments I've seen on dakka, although your assertion that most GK players are "still trying to pull rules from the Daemon hunter codex" certainly ranks up there as well.
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daniel79 wrote:Let me Straighten this up right now, I am pretty sure the Grey knight player I play that cheats is not on these boards and if he is then I don't know his ID....
And what does that have to do with you accusing pretre of being a cheater?
I never Said pretre cheated, I was talking about another Grey knight player, you assumed I was talking about Pretre.
You know, this:
daniel79 wrote:Pretre you didn't help in the discussion other to show you don't really care about fluff and just are a power gamer and will cheat when ever able to; or at least that is what your post hints at...
That has be one of the most left field comments I've seen on dakka, although your assertion that most GK players are "still trying to pull rules from the Daemon hunter codex" certainly ranks up there as well.
daniel79 wrote:I never Said pretre cheated, I was talking about another Grey knight player, you assumed I was talking about Pretre.
daniel79 wrote:Pretre you didn't help in the discussion other to show you don't really care about fluff and just are a power gamer and will cheat when ever able to; or at least that is what your post hints at...
2012/03/16 12:37:34
Subject: Re:When was the Grey Knights first formed?
daniel79 wrote:I never Said pretre cheated, I was talking about another Grey knight player, you assumed I was talking about Pretre.
daniel79 wrote:Pretre you didn't help in the discussion other to show you don't really care about fluff and just are a power gamer and will cheat when ever able to; or at least that is what your post hints at...
Yeah he shows from his personality that he probley cheats any chance he gets...
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