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**Brothererekose**

Eldar / DE Skimmer moves Cruising or more on their Turn.

Ralph "Nemesor" Lauren comes along on his pony named "Cmd. Barge" and takes a swing via Sweep Attack.

Necron 'dex says it hits on 4+ if Cmd. B moved X and on a 3+ if it moved Y.

BRB says vehicles having moved Cruising or more are hit on

s.

You're a TO and two players come to you with this.

Does the Sweep Attack hit on 6 (BRB) or according to the Necron book, 4/3?

Make Da Call.

(SEARCH didn't come up with this one specifically)

**Chrysis**

6+ to hit when Cruising is specifically for vehicles being assaulted. Sweep Attacks are not assaulting, and the rules are more specific so Sweep Attack takes precedence.

**Magpie**

I would have said as my first reaction that one skimmer can't skimmer over another, but it appears you can.

Thing is it isn't an Assault (I don't think vehicles actually can assault can they?) so the +6 thing doesn't come into it.

Even if it did the Necron book makes no account for the movement of the enemy and specifically excludes cover saves.

So it's the 3/4 for my tuppence

**marv335**

3/4. It's not the assault phase, it's something different.

**Brothererekose**

marv! Same Marv of Warseer? A fez wearing badger, Marv?

**marv335**

Could be....

**THE_GODLYNESS**

Necron codex says 3+/4+ (circumstances deciding)

no assaults are made as this is the movement phase.

**Ray Age**

If the Lord moves 12" over the DE Skimmer, he needs 3+ to hit, then he jumps out of the CMD and assaults the DE Skimmer, he then needs 6's to hit. Doesn't sound right, but thems the rulz.

**nosferatu1001**

4's to hit, from memory it's 3+ only if you move up to 6".

**captain collius**

codex rule replace BRB if they are disagreement. end of story

**TheAvengingKnee**

captain collius wrote:codex rule replace BRB if they are disagreement. end of story

That's not necessarily true, Specific trumps general so the more specific rule(usually in a codex) is the one that wins out.

In the case of this rule its for assaulting a vehicle you consult the table based on movement speed, the command barge sweep attacks are not an assault and happen in the movement phase with it's own specific rules that allow the sweeping attacks to be made.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

Agreed. The attacks arent made in an assault and it says that the vehicle may only be hit on a d6 roll of 6+ in an assualt specifically. I guess the easiest comparison would be like a vehicle moving 12 and you shooting it. Different phase, different attack, different proceedure and set of rules alltogeather. Dosent make sense but what does in GW?

**NecronLord3**

It makes perfect sense. You have an Overlord flying around on a Catacomb Command Barge and he needs only to stick his war-scythe out as he flys by and tries to hit it. The CCB can match/counter the speed of an opposing enemy vehicle as well as the distance a Skimmer or Jet-bike can be off the ground. An Overlord grounded has no ability to move as fast, isn't hardly as maneuverable as a vehicle, and cannot match the height a skimmer or jet-bike can achieve.

**Mannahnin**

nosferatu1001 wrote:4's to hit, from memory it's 3+ only if you move up to 6".

12".

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Ray Age wrote:If the Lord moves 12" over the DE Skimmer, he needs 3+ to hit, then he jumps out of the CMD and assaults the DE Skimmer, he then needs 6's to hit.

This.

**helixthief**

Also it says cover saves may not be taken for wounds...are glancing and penetrating hits wounds?

**NecronLord3**

helixthief wrote:Also it says cover saves may not be taken for wounds...are glancing and penetrating hits wounds?

Please don't ask that. Search for plentiful discussions on the subject to see why. Cover saves are irrelevant to this subject, as they aren't permitted against sweep attacks.

**nosferatu1001**

helixthief wrote:Also it says cover saves may not be taken for wounds...are glancing and penetrating hits wounds?

Yes, as far as vehicles are concerned. To say otherwise denies you the ability to ever take cover saves on vehicles

**Brothererekose**

NecronLord3 wrote:
helixthief wrote:Also it says cover saves may not be taken for wounds...are glancing and penetrating hits wounds?

Please don't ask that. Search for plentiful discussions on the subject to see why. Cover saves are irrelevant to this subject, as they aren't permitted against sweep attacks.

I'm with this. Let's not bother with bringing Cover Saves into it.

For my part, I'd agree with most:

Hits on 4+/3+ for Ralph "Nemesor" Lauren as it ain't a h2h attack. Specific (codex) prevails over general (BRB) Cruising + hits on

s.

Which leads me to ...

goddamn, but necrons, Imo, tesla, Oby, scarabs are FREAKIN' BROKEN!!!!!!

But that's for another thread in a different forum.