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Any possibility of new codex/brb making vets a very unattractive option given how meta vets are right now? As in, a big reversion to infantry blobs?

I'm just worried about my own personal investment in the models.

Not like it matters much model-wise. Easy conversion from vets to guardsmen and vice-versa.

I think it will generally stay the same over the next few updates.

Twiqbal wrote:Any possibility of new codex/brb making vets a very unattractive option given how meta vets are right now? As in, a big reversion to infantry blobs?

I'm just worried about my own personal investment in the models.

they will change everything to force you to buy new things probably. knowing gw.

I just use steel legion guardsmen as vets currently, but it'd be a special weps-nightmare if they forced me to convert

Twiqbal wrote:Any possibility of new codex/brb making vets a very unattractive option given how meta vets are right now? As in, a big reversion to infantry blobs?

I'm just worried about my own personal investment in the models.

No, IG will not geta new codex any time soon. There are several other armies wainting in line before they will get one. And Vets will stay the way they are for years to come. So no need to worry

Likes been said, I don't see guard getting a new codex for a few years. When they do I wouldn't see Veterans changing much, though they may abandon the Doctrines system altogether and give them some other special rule set instead. However I'd say that it would be fine to field them now, and would say that its unlikely that you'd need to change them at all, barring personel preferences, even with 6th edition if your just fielding them as melta vets. ^^

kb305 wrote:
they will change everything to force you to buy new things probably. knowing gw.

No they won't. A guardsman is still a guardsman, and a guardsman with a meltagun is still a guardsman with a meltagun.

When IG get a new codex 2-4 years down the line, things will definitely change. A few things always change with any given codex. Veterans might be relegated to Elites again, available in limited quantities in some way, or get a points cost increase. Maybe you'll only be able to take two special weapons instead of three, who knows. I feel that they're a fairly safe choice, all things considered.

Firstly, what's the rumor that guard is under major review?

Secondly, vets and infantry squads were in the last codex, they will be in the next one too.

Thirdly, yeah, it's not like you can use vets for anything else in the codex.

Ailaros wrote:Firstly, what's the rumor that guard is under major review?

Secondly, vets and infantry squads were in the last codex, they will be in the next one too.

Thirdly, yeah, it's not like you can use vets for anything else in the codex.

All three points (even thought the third is sarcasm) are basically what I was going to say.

The most dangerous thing to your modelling would be if veterans went back to being 0-1 choices. You would have a lot of special weapons left over. But again, pretty much everything infantry in the guard codex can be interchanged. A veteran can be a guardsmen who can be a command squad guardsmen, who can be a penal legionaire, ect.

The vets won't go anywhere anytime soon. If for no other reason than gw make a lot of money of them.

Nom

What you should consider is what 6th Edition will do to all your precious melta guns...

My melta guns will be fine

*covers the guardsmans ears* don't listen to that evil man.

Nom

nomsheep wrote:The vets won't go anywhere anytime soon. If for no other reason than gw make a lot of money of them.

Veterans don't have their own models. Your argument is invalid.

Ailaros wrote:

nomsheep wrote:The vets won't go anywhere anytime soon. If for no other reason than gw make a lot of money of them.

Veterans don't have their own models. Your argument is invalid.

So money isn't spent converting them then?

Nom

Guard won't get a new codex for a very, very long time.
There is no reason to worry for the next year, perhaps several.

Trondheim wrote:

Twiqbal wrote:Any possibility of new codex/brb making vets a very unattractive option given how meta vets are right now? As in, a big reversion to infantry blobs?

I'm just worried about my own personal investment in the models.

No, IG will not geta new codex any time soon. There are several other armies wainting in line before they will get one. And Vets will stay the way they are for years to come. So no need to worry

They might not get a new codex, but 6th edition could nerf the ability to fire from transports, which would make veterans much less attractive.

Kaldor wrote:

Trondheim wrote:

Twiqbal wrote:Any possibility of new codex/brb making vets a very unattractive option given how meta vets are right now? As in, a big reversion to infantry blobs?

I'm just worried about my own personal investment in the models.

No, IG will not geta new codex any time soon. There are several other armies wainting in line before they will get one. And Vets will stay the way they are for years to come. So no need to worry

They might not get a new codex, but 6th edition could nerf the ability to fire from transports, which would make veterans much less attractive.

The codex itself allows them to fire from the Chimera, not the BRB.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Trondheim wrote:

Twiqbal wrote:Any possibility of new codex/brb making vets a very unattractive option given how meta vets are right now? As in, a big reversion to infantry blobs?

I'm just worried about my own personal investment in the models.

No, IG will not geta new codex any time soon. There are several other armies wainting in line before they will get one. And Vets will stay the way they are for years to come. So no need to worry

They might not get a new codex, but 6th edition could nerf the ability to fire from transports, which would make veterans much less attractive.

The codex itself allows them to fire from the Chimera, not the BRB.

Currently, however the new rulebook might state that passengers cannot fire if the vehicle has moved, or if it has moved more than X inches, or may just issue a blanket over-ride stating that theres only a maximum of 1 firepoint per vehicle.

and IIRC new rules always overide the older ones

Or is it the codex overides the BRB

Nom

nomsheep wrote:

Ailaros wrote:

nomsheep wrote:The vets won't go anywhere anytime soon. If for no other reason than gw make a lot of money of them.

Veterans don't have their own models. Your argument is invalid.

So money isn't spent converting them then?

Nom

They'd make more money off people running infantry blobs than people running veterans. The amount of veterans people buy for a whole army would make one infantry platoon.

nomsheep wrote:and IIRC new rules always overide the older ones

Or is it the codex overides the BRB

Nom

I believe codex overrides BRB, because the codex's rules are more specific to the units in question rather than the BRB which is meant to be as general as possible.

No, its Specific>General. Which normally translates to Codex>rulebook but not always.

-Loki- wrote:

nomsheep wrote:

Ailaros wrote:

nomsheep wrote:The vets won't go anywhere anytime soon. If for no other reason than gw make a lot of money of them.

Veterans don't have their own models. Your argument is invalid.

So money isn't spent converting them then?

Nom

They'd make more money off people running infantry blobs than people running veterans. The amount of veterans people buy for a whole army would make one infantry platoon.

Except Mech armies are also quite expensive. 6 Infantry Squads and 6 Chimeras costs $384, toss in the extra meltas needed to run them as melta vets and you are at about $416 or $432.

Buttons wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

nomsheep wrote:

Ailaros wrote:

nomsheep wrote:The vets won't go anywhere anytime soon. If for no other reason than gw make a lot of money of them.

Veterans don't have their own models. Your argument is invalid.

So money isn't spent converting them then?

Nom

They'd make more money off people running infantry blobs than people running veterans. The amount of veterans people buy for a whole army would make one infantry platoon.

Except Mech armies are also quite expensive. 6 Infantry Squads and 6 Chimeras costs $384, toss in the extra meltas needed to run them as melta vets and you are at about $416 or $432.

Depending on how many points I am playing and exactly how I am choosing to outfit my guardsmen blobs, my blob guard army for a 1500 point game would cost me somewhere between $525-$650. Blob guard buy commissars, special weapons, heavy weapons, command squads, and 2 or 3 heavy support tanks in addition to the Infantry squads.

nomsheep wrote:

Ailaros wrote:

nomsheep wrote:The vets won't go anywhere anytime soon. If for no other reason than gw make a lot of money of them.

Veterans don't have their own models. Your argument is invalid.

So money isn't spent converting them then?

Generally no. Of all the vets I've seen only a relative few that have been something other than just slightly differently painted cadian models. Of those I've seen that have been converted, either the person didn't spend money (used greenstuff), or the person spent money, but didn't give it to GW (I've seen conversions that use pig iron heads for example).

As mentioned as well, it's more expensive to run a foot list than a vet list. A 1000 point vet list is 6 boxes of infantry and 6 chimeras, while a 1000 point foot list is easily 9 boxes of infantry and 15 heavy weapons teams and a couple of commissars. As you have more options with foot lists, you're likely spending a lot more on bitz orders as well, which GW still gets paid for.

If really GW wanted to push minis, they'd be directing you towards as many 5-point guardsmen as they possibly could.