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If the the above WH40k Factions worked togeather or even the Imperium by it's self, defeat the Reapers?


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To clarify, the Reapers from Mass Effect

Pretty sure the IOM would school the reapers.
Better ground troops, stronger ships that can even kill planets in a single shot, and far far more numerous.

iGuy91 wrote:Pretty sure the IOM would school the reapers.
Better ground troops, stronger ships that can even kill planets in a single shot, and far far more numerous.

How do you think Titans would far against the Repears as well? Would a Invictius Titan rip the Harbinger apart?

I normally can't stand these threads, but I have to say I will be following this one...

I reckon the Reapers in the end though, because the only way they were beaten in the game was through being nice to lots of background characters for extended periods of talking...

In 40k, most of those, hmm, 'what do you think we should do Tali?' moments would have ended up with someone being executed long before thier suggestion would save the day...

The Imperium, obviously, for a few reasons.

1. The fact that 40k is, in general, OOT, OMGWTFBBQ, explode everything in sight.

The Mass Effect series deals in semi-hard sci-fi. 40k is fantasy sci fi, about as soft as ice cream that's been sitting out on a hot day.

2. Mass Effect Relays. From my understanding, these are a key component of the Reaper's plans. When deactivated, the various races that depend upon that technology to move quickly suddenly find themselves cut off, and make (usually) easy pickins' for the Reapers.

You don't have that in 40k. You have Warp Travel.

3. The fact that the Imperium would be willing to through everything at the Reapers. The various races and governments (mostly) have a 'pro-life' policy when it comes to war. Not so with the Imperium. They'd happily keep tossing men and starships into the grinder.

Also, I hate you - HATE YOU - for pulling me into one of these stupid threads.

Jihadnik wrote:I normally can't stand these threads, but I have to say I will be following this one...

I reckon the Reapers in the end though, because the only way they were beaten in the game was through being nice to lots of background characters for extended periods of talking...

In 40k, most of those, hmm, 'what do you think we should do Tali?' moments would have ended up with someone being executed long before thier suggestion would save the day...

The Reapers would probably drown in a sea of Imperial Guardsman before the talking came.

Alexzandvar wrote:

iGuy91 wrote:Pretty sure the IOM would school the reapers.
Better ground troops, stronger ships that can even kill planets in a single shot, and far far more numerous.

How do you think Titans would far against the Repears as well? Would a Invictius Titan rip the Harbinger apart?

Absolutely not. The largest titans are, at most, about 170ft tall. Take this into consideration when you realize that Reapers can be up in the range of 2 kilometers tall, i.e., nearly a mile. Basically, think comparing a standard Astartes soldier to a Titan, and that's what you get when comparing a Titan to a Reaper.

Also take into account that the Reapers can indoctrinate, turn humans and aliens alike into husks or other abominations and the IOM has a rather nasty fight on its hands. By no means would the IOM win by a landslide, but they also wouldn't be just tossed aside.

spectreoneone wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:

iGuy91 wrote:Pretty sure the IOM would school the reapers.
Better ground troops, stronger ships that can even kill planets in a single shot, and far far more numerous.

How do you think Titans would far against the Repears as well? Would a Invictius Titan rip the Harbinger apart?

Absolutely not. The largest titans are, at most, about 170ft tall. Take this into consideration when you realize that Reapers can be up in the range of 2 kilometers tall, i.e., nearly a mile. Basically, think comparing a standard Astartes soldier to a Titan, and that's what you get when comparing a Titan to a Reaper.

Also take into account that the Reapers can indoctrinate, turn humans and aliens alike into husks or other abominations and the IOM has a rather nasty fight on its hands. By no means would the IOM win by a landslide, but they also wouldn't be just tossed aside.

This is not just about the Imperium, it's about the Tau and Eldar assisting. I doubt Reapers of that size would get past the Imperial Blockades.

Alexzandvar wrote:

spectreoneone wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:

iGuy91 wrote:Pretty sure the IOM would school the reapers.
Better ground troops, stronger ships that can even kill planets in a single shot, and far far more numerous.

How do you think Titans would far against the Repears as well? Would a Invictius Titan rip the Harbinger apart?

Absolutely not. The largest titans are, at most, about 170ft tall. Take this into consideration when you realize that Reapers can be up in the range of 2 kilometers tall, i.e., nearly a mile. Basically, think comparing a standard Astartes soldier to a Titan, and that's what you get when comparing a Titan to a Reaper.

Also take into account that the Reapers can indoctrinate, turn humans and aliens alike into husks or other abominations and the IOM has a rather nasty fight on its hands. By no means would the IOM win by a landslide, but they also wouldn't be just tossed aside.

This is not just about the Imperium, it's about the Tau and Eldar assisting. I doubt Reapers of that size would get past the Imperial Blockades.

This was widely discussed in another thread that was similar. Being that the Reapers number in the tens of thousands, and can easily influence folks (especially if they are weak-minded) into joining their cause, as well as controlling AI, the Reapers could easily cement themselves as a permanent, and highly threatening force in the grimdark world of 40k. The IOM's weapons that are assisted by "Machine Spirits," i.e. AIs, could be potentially controlled by Reaper code. This could mean the very Titans the IOM relies on for ground combat could be turned against their masters. Additionally, the Tau drone tech could be useless, too.

As for the billions of Guardsmen, well, they're just ripe for the picking to be converted to husks, same goes for the Tau Fire Caste, and Eldar Guardians. Psykers might be able to resist Reaper indoctrination, or they could possibly be more susceptible. Since there is no correlation between the two universes, the argument is purely speculation.

Then again, by the same logic, the IOM's largest vessels are far larger than reapers. Imperial battleships according to fluff, an Emperor-class battleship is 7.5 KM long, light cruisers are the size of the a reaper.
Additionally, the cannons on a dreadnaught in Mass Effect Strike with the force of a strong nuclear weapon. A nova cannon (mounted on ships of the line and heavy capital ships, detonates with a radius of a small planet.) The amount of firepower in the 40k universe is drastically scaled above that of any other Sci-Fi fluff i've ever heard of.
The weapons on a reaper, seem to me to be the closest equivalent of a lance weapon.

Also, Sphess Marines would make mincemeat of husks, in both close combat and at range, a single bolt round would likely blow apart a husk. I can't answer for the regular Imperials, they're kinda already indoctrinated into the Cult of the Emperor, but I'd imagine they'd fall to indoctrination the same way they'd fall to the influences of chaos.

According the Mass effect fluff, the armor they wear is essentially super-kevlar, perhaps comparable to carapace armor.

I mean, in terms of ground forces (not including landed reapers) I believe the IOM has a huge advantage in their vehicles, and elite troops.

Yes, i am fully aware this is nothing more than a sword waving contest, and could never be truely decided

I disagree with the mass effect armor equals carapace. Its most likely flak armor. Or worse. Please remember in universe flak is good armor, and carapace is super good armor with power armor being a walking tank.

The Imperial Navy has more ships, bigger ships, and faster ships. It doesnt rely on a mass relay. Hands down the IoM has space superiority.

Planet side would be closer. IG easily out performs the husks and the others, however the Reaper destroyers would own titians and would wipe out companies at a time.

It would be close if the Reapers make it dirt side, but in space the IoM wins.

Also since space marines make up like .0000000000000001% of the IoM fighting forces ive hadnt factored them into it.

Also the reapers seed mass effect tech so the galaxy will use it, allowing.them to know the capiblities of the galaxy. IoM doesnt use mass effect tech so the reapers will be clueless about the IoM tech.

What would have been more fair would be Com. Shepard vs the IoM. I think it would be a close battle.

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If the puny factions in Mass Effect could face extinction with that eerie sense of calm (which pissed me off the for entire game), and WIN, I think the grimdark factions of 40k could handily defeat any reapers that attack. They could probably do it with an even more infuriating sense of serenity too.

I don't think that the weapons and tools the reapers use to fight with would be as effective in 40k.
Indoctrination? All Tau (except for what's his face Farsight?) are already heavily indoctrinated by the Ethereal caste. You could probably make some argument for imperial guardsmen with faith in the emperor or some chaos god, and eldar resisting their baser urges forever.

Reaper code? The 40k factions don't really have any AI as sophisticated as the Geth that think for themselves. So the reapers might be able to control drones and marginally improve them, but it's hard to improve flying discs with guns. Especially since each drone is slaved to an individual controller. The reapers might not think it's worth their time. Gaining control of titans would be devastating though.

Harvesting technology? Can't make husks out of promethium covered, plasma disintegrated, hacked apart, or blown apart bodies. The Tyranids could also show up and just harvest the biomass or the kroot could eat everyone.

Massive size? Sure once they touch down on a planet, but there are far larger ships in the imperial navy they have to fight through first. If you remember the mission where Shepard and a small team board the massive reaper, you can easily say size isn't necessarily an issue. Get a few space marines on a reaper and they'll tear it apart from the inside. A titan or two with artillery and air support could probably take down a smaller reaper from the outside.

The 40k factions usually solve problems with the application of more Dakka. If more Dakka doesn't work, escalate to planet killing Dakka.

Final off-topic note:
I was seriously confused why everyone in Mass Effect didn't seemed to be concerned with the reapers coming. The few who showed any kind of emotion (that I can remember) seemed more bummed than terrified. Like it rained on their birthday. Shepard of course was able to calm them down. "It's ok we'll just have your party inside. I'll bring balloons!" Paragon
"Suck it up! We'll go get hammered at Purgatory instead." Renegade

KEEP CALM
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FIGHT ON

Orks.

Even if you mind control them they are working against you due to their reproduction style.

You CANNOT kill them all, they'd spread faster than you kill them.

Orks are design specifically for this purpose, to keep life around and chop that threat that wants it gone (in 40k the old Necrons).

as in the last what is it four, five threads on this subject. The IoM alone would school the reapers so hard it would hurt. They outnumber them and out tech them in about every catagory. The freaking destroyer or frigate is the size of a Reaper, much less light cruisers, cruisers and anything larger. They more then likely have damned better range and if you massed a whole sectors fleet it would number in the hundreds if not thousands of ships. Much less a whole segemta. We are not gonna even touch upon the fact that psykers would hurt the Bio-mechanical reapers so hard its not even fair.

The Reapers are a semi-hard sci-fi trans-humanist threat facing off against soft-sci-fi's poster boy of OMFG Over the top, I got on of those but its red, faster and ten times as cool setting. The outcome is never even a real question.

Dakkadood wrote:Orks.

Even if you mind control them they are working against you due to their reproduction style.

You CANNOT kill them all, they'd spread faster than you kill them.

Orks are design specifically for this purpose, to keep life around and chop that threat that wants it gone (in 40k the old Necrons).

Could the Orks loot Reaper tech?

Oh god what have I done?