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In the codex it says that you can place Crypteks and Lords as leaders for squads in your army. Does this mean that they are like an upgraded marine that has become a sergeant or whatever? By this I mean do they count as troops when leading a troop choice even if they are the only survivors in the unit / also do they only give up the squads kill point when they die? I ask this cause they have the everliving rule which states they can always use the RP to get back up.

Yes. They are treated as a member of the unit for all purposes, so if (for example) they are leading a squad of Warriors, and the Crpytek/Lord is the only one left, he is still scoring.

That is what I thought. that is really good cause they can always get back up even if all the warriors or immortals die.

Not if they die to sweeping advance you cannot - the whole unit is destroyed at that point, because RP and EL do not say they get to save the unit.

No, not reopening that thoroughly killed off argument, stating a fact.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

No, not reopening that thoroughly killed off argument, stating a fact.

Indeed we're not about to reopen this particular can o' worms. Thanks folks.

Happyjew wrote:Yes. They are treated as a member of the unit for all purposes, so if (for example) they are leading a squad of Warriors, and the Crpytek/Lord is the only one left, he is still scoring.

Not ALL purposes, they don't count as a member of the unit for RP purposes. So if they're the last one standing they can't revive the unit. Otherwise, yes they're a "whatever unit they're in" for all other intents and purposes.

Actually that's due to the Reanimation Protocols and not because they don't count as a part of the unit in that case.

Ghaz wrote:Actually that's due to the Reanimation Protocols and not because they don't count as a part of the unit in that case.

Ya, but it doesn't matter since the end result is the same and many people seem to get confused on this, especially when others make blanket statements such as above. Clarifications need to be made to stop the spread of misinformation.

But yes, I suppose I shouldn't have said "they don't count as part of the unit" as that's not the correct way to put it, it's because they're a (Character) that they don't allow RP for the squad as you said. It's just easier to remember that "They're part of the squad for everything except RP rolls."

Kevin949 wrote:It's just easier to remember that "They're part of the squad for everything except RP rolls."

Its not any easier than remembering that characters don't count for Reanimation Protocols rolls.

Ghaz wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:It's just easier to remember that "They're part of the squad for everything except RP rolls."

Its not any easier than remembering that characters don't count for Reanimation Protocols rolls.

Eh, then people start getting confused with (Character) vs. Independent Character and they think they're the same thing. Many threads on this forum alone have proven that to be the case. For ME personally, no it's no different. But when explaining it to others it's just easier to put it the one way instead of the other, strictly for explanation ease.