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Morning folks,
I love that there are some assume posts on tournment goers thoughts on Dakka recently. I wanted to pick peoples brains on Kill Points, and if there's a better way to stream line things?

I run a Ork list, which presently gives up 17 kill points at 1850 i.
HQs: Warboss. Big Mek.
EL: 2x Lootas. 1x Burnas.
TP: 1x Shootas. 1x Sluggas. 2x Trukk mobs. 1x Grots
FA: 3x1 Kopters
HV: 2x3 Killa Kans. 1 Battle Wagon
TS: 2 Trukks
Total: 18

Now I understand part of this may be "its Orks." But I'm playing a lot more prep games and realizing in scenarios where its Kill Points, i'm fight up hill right away as i've got 5 easy pick offs ~ 3 Kopters, 2 Trukks. So i'm adjusting play style, where often I reserve the Kopters, and the Trukk mobs to keep them off the board. Do other Ork players run into this and just accept your going to have to slug it out? I've debated combining the Kopters into 1 unit, but them lose the versatility.

Thoughts suggestions? I did not put this in army list as I wanted to seek peoples thoughts on both:
1. Is stream lining the answer?
2. What do other Ork players do?
3. What do opponents think when they actually see orks?
NOTE~ local Meta has 5 of us, who all run different style lists, common perception is people don't like playing orks because they are so durable minus low armor.

Buggies give up their kill points much harder than koptaz, you might want to replace one with a trio of rokkit bugies.

In addition, you are mixing fast and slow units, which results in your trukks and their passengers being easy kill points. If you had all fast units, you would get stuck in close combat much fast with much more, making it harder for your opponent to focus on your transport and weak mobs, because everyone is busy fighting their own opponents. On the other hand, footslogging mobs give up their kill points pretty reluctantly, as they require a lot of wounds to even consider breaking, and even then the boss pole is holding them in place. So deciding for one or the other might already help your KP problem.

As for the gretchin, you should reserve those in kill point games and have them actively dodge units that come after them. If there is no one around, go to ground in terrain.

I wouldn't run three individual Deffkoptas. It's pretty easy to punk a single T5 model.

Yeah, but it's not like there are a lot of alternatives for their role.

Jidmah wrote:Yeah, but it's not like there are a lot of alternatives for their role.

Putting them in a squad of three is a good start. Buggies serve the same purpose really.

Uh, no, it's not?

They are leadership 7 and do not get a reroll for that whatsoever, while falling back 3d6. A bored chimera or rhino will remove those koptaz from the table half the time by tank shocking, costing you about 200 points. If it's not a tank shock, a single krak missile or lascannon can force that test, too. I also makes shooting an entire unit at them much more attractive, as you are much less likely to waste shots as overkill.

Buggies have none of those issues, but in return can not lock models in combat.

The whole point of single koptaz is that the opponent needs to tank shock or shoot with least three units at them to remove them, that is survivability all by itself. Unless your opponent is completely oblivious to their leadership issues, you should never put them in units of more than one.