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Two seperate questions not saying the the dark eldar will defeat mankind.

1.) Are the Dark Eldar worshipping chaos or are they just plain old evil?

2.) From what I understand the Chaos Gods are always playing the "great game" and often fighting one another allying with one another if someone gets too strong. So why would they keep attacking the Imperium? Isn't the fall of man suppose to create a 5th chaos god? Why would they want another rival?

Dark Eldar don't generally worship the gods of chaos. They continue their dance in decadence to stave off Slaanesh from consuming their souls but yeah, nothing is really stopping them from joining their craftworld or exodite brethren so it all boils down to that it is their choice to continue being "evil"

All life in the galaxy is part of the great game, a grand struggle that, as the gods of chaos see it, no one will win. The imperium is fruitlessly attempting to extinguish chaos while chaos diddly daddly toys with all beings in the galaxy and with each other. Think 1984, it's an all encompassing war with no end. As for the death of the imperium (precisely the death of the emperor) that may result in a birth of a new warp god (not chaos god mind you), and what's wrong with another god to play this never ending power game with? Now, there are a few potential ways the game really could end: 1) gork n' mork get bored and krump everyone, 2) nids eat everything, 3) Necrons unite once more and lay some serious hurt down, 4) C'tan shards get loose and wreck the face of everyone and everything, etc. However, all of these are entirely unlikely so the great game will continue endlessly until the galaxy itself dies from entropy and the only two gods who "win" will be Nurgle and Malice (Tzeentch doesn't count, cackling "just as planned," everytime something happens is just being silly to the nth degree) while gork n' mork move to whatever galaxies the other orks are.

1) If DE followed Chaos, Slaneesh would devour their souls, so they are not allied with Chaos, though the two factions have worked together at times.

2) The Imperium is trying to create galactic order. If they won, Chaos would die out. Having a new Chaos god in town is preferable to death for the existing four.

So there are no eldar that follow chaos then?

I wasn't aware that the chaos gods thought that no one could ever win the great game so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that when the imperium falls a 5th chaos god will arise?

zorro wrote:So there are no eldar that follow chaos then?

I wasn't aware that the chaos gods thought that no one could ever win the great game so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that when the imperium falls a 5th chaos god will arise?

Or the Emperor could just die. Or He'll restore His body to normal once the Throne fails. Or He'll fuse the Four Powers with Himself to create a single balanced 'god'. Does it matter? GW's never going to advance the storyline.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/The_Death_of_The_Emperor_-_A_Continuation_of_the_40K_Universe_by_Dark_Lord_Seanron

Tadashi wrote:Or the Emperor could just die. Or He'll restore His body to normal once the Throne fails. Or He'll fuse the Four Powers with Himself to create a single balanced 'god'. Does it matter? GW's never going to advance the storyline.

Anyways...

So there are no eldar that follow chaos then?

I wasn't aware that the chaos gods thought that no one could ever win the great game so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that when the imperium falls a 5th chaos god will arise?

zorro wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Or the Emperor could just die. Or He'll restore His body to normal once the Throne fails. Or He'll fuse the Four Powers with Himself to create a single balanced 'god'. Does it matter? GW's never going to advance the storyline.

Anyways...

So there are no eldar that follow chaos then?

I wasn't aware that the chaos gods thought that no one could ever win the great game so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that when the imperium falls a 5th chaos god will arise?

No, Eldar who fall to Chaos get devoured by Slaanesh. End of story.

Not sure about the Emperor becoming a new chaos god or fusing them, but when all the Eldar die, the god of the dead will rise to kill Slaanesh. But everyone knows who the fifth god of chaos is...

From what I can tell, All eldar(DE/eldar alike) hate "she who thirst". DE still practice some of the old techniques that let to the creation of slaanesh. But do not worship any chaos gods.

The only god DE like would be khaine, The eldar god killed by Slaanesh.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:The only god DE like would be khaine, The eldar god killed by Slaanesh.

*splintered by Slaanesh. Khaine isn't dead.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:The only god DE like would be khaine, The eldar god killed by Slaanesh.

*splintered by Slaanesh. Khaine isn't dead.

Yeah thats right. Still in no shape to take on any of the other gods in 40k:( makes me sad he lost to slaanesh.

Yeah, only because Slaanesh was bloated on the other Eldar gods' powers. And yet Khaine was strong enough to fight Slaanesh and tire it to the point where it couldn't finish him off. Not bad I'd say.

Meanwhile, the Laughing God was in the webway, laughing at both of them.

There are Chaos Eldar mentioned in a few background materials (Old army lists and WD articles).

They generally are around the Crone worlds in the Eye of Terror. Nothing is written on their alignment.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

zorro wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Or the Emperor could just die. Or He'll restore His body to normal once the Throne fails. Or He'll fuse the Four Powers with Himself to create a single balanced 'god'. Does it matter? GW's never going to advance the storyline.

Anyways...

So there are no eldar that follow chaos then?

I wasn't aware that the chaos gods thought that no one could ever win the great game so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that when the imperium falls a 5th chaos god will arise?

No, Eldar who fall to Chaos get devoured by Slaanesh. End of story.

Not sure about the Emperor becoming a new chaos god or fusing them, but when all the Eldar die, the god of the dead will rise to kill Slaanesh. But everyone knows who the fifth god of chaos is...

Are we even sure Ynnead could do it? I've heard even Eldrad doubts it would work, and I'd put it in the same category as the Emperor's resurrection/rebirth/restoration.

Tadashi wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

zorro wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Or the Emperor could just die. Or He'll restore His body to normal once the Throne fails. Or He'll fuse the Four Powers with Himself to create a single balanced 'god'. Does it matter? GW's never going to advance the storyline.

Anyways...

So there are no eldar that follow chaos then?

I wasn't aware that the chaos gods thought that no one could ever win the great game so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that when the imperium falls a 5th chaos god will arise?

No, Eldar who fall to Chaos get devoured by Slaanesh. End of story.

Not sure about the Emperor becoming a new chaos god or fusing them, but when all the Eldar die, the god of the dead will rise to kill Slaanesh. But everyone knows who the fifth god of chaos is...

Are we even sure Ynnead could do it? I've heard even Eldrad doubts it would work, and I'd put it in the same category as the Emperor's resurrection/rebirth/restoration.

Yeah, definately same category as emperor rebirth, but I thought the theory was formed after Eldrad engaged in his eternal battle against the blackstone fortress?

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

zorro wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Or the Emperor could just die. Or He'll restore His body to normal once the Throne fails. Or He'll fuse the Four Powers with Himself to create a single balanced 'god'. Does it matter? GW's never going to advance the storyline.

Anyways...

So there are no eldar that follow chaos then?

I wasn't aware that the chaos gods thought that no one could ever win the great game so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that when the imperium falls a 5th chaos god will arise?

No, Eldar who fall to Chaos get devoured by Slaanesh. End of story.

Not sure about the Emperor becoming a new chaos god or fusing them, but when all the Eldar die, the god of the dead will rise to kill Slaanesh. But everyone knows who the fifth god of chaos is...

Are we even sure Ynnead could do it? I've heard even Eldrad doubts it would work, and I'd put it in the same category as the Emperor's resurrection/rebirth/restoration.

Yeah, definately same category as emperor rebirth, but I thought the theory was formed after Eldrad engaged in his eternal battle against the blackstone fortress?

Which theory? Ynnead or the Emperor's rebirth/resurrection/restoration? Wasn't the former in place since the Fall of the Eldar when the Craftworld Eldar began using Spirit Stones and Infinity Circuits? And I'm sure the Illuminati (they've never been totally retconned, just unmentioned like the squats and see how that turned out) have been working on the Emperor's rebirth/resurrection/restoration since the Horus Heresy ended, AFAIK.

Yeah, I meant the Yneead theory. I wasn't aware it was put in place as soon as Eldar started using spirit stones.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Yeah, I meant the Yneead theory. I wasn't aware it was put in place as soon as Eldar started using spirit stones.

IMO, they probably never realized it was possible (perhaps, just perhaps) until a significant number of souls were already gathered in the Infinity Circuits. Of course, there's really nothing concrete on the matter, unless you have something you could show us?

By the way, nice sig...

It is not a "canonical fact" that the Emperor is the proto-form of a Fifth Chaos God. This idea came from the The Lost and the Damned book and (in a more complicated, ambiguous form) the Inquisition War trilogy of novels. But even in those sources, the Emperor is not a "Fifth Chaos God" so much as (to speak metaphorically) the "base" that will neutralize the "acid" of the Ruinous Powers. GW has marked the Inquisition War trilogy as a "heretical tome" in its current print-on-demand form and the Star Child idea has not been mentioned in print since the Third Edition core book. The "fifth chaos god" deal has only survived because (1) the portrayal of the Emperor in the HH books makes no sense and (2) the internet exists.

zorro wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Or the Emperor could just die. Or He'll restore His body to normal once the Throne fails. Or He'll fuse the Four Powers with Himself to create a single balanced 'god'. Does it matter? GW's never going to advance the storyline.

Anyways...

So there are no eldar that follow chaos then?

I think a splinter force from the DE was worshiping Slaanesh in one of the Souldrinkers novels, not sure though, will have to check.
Though they got killed, and if they were the only ones that means there isn't any more.

Found this in the wiki, there you go i was remembering it right -
"The Soul Drinkers next came into conflict with the Crimson Fists' Force Commander Reinez and with Slaanesh-worshipping Dark Eldar in an attempt to bring the now Chaos-aligned Sergeant Tellos to justice. After a long battle between Chaos forces and the forces of the Imperium, Sarpedon fought Tellos in a duel. Sarpedon emerged victorious, and believing Tellos dead, withdrew the Soul Drinkers from the combat. Tellos survived, only to be killed when the Inquisition bombed the world where Tellos and his warband had taken up residence. "

Wasn't there another novel with a Farseer who was secretly aligned with Slaanesh? I vaguely recall some discussions about it. A book from Goto, iirc.

Lynata wrote:Wasn't there another novel with a Farseer who was secretly aligned with Slaanesh? I vaguely recall some discussions about it. A book from Goto, iirc.

I think it was called Eldar Prophecy or something like that, and the eldar on the craftworld (the "elite" class) were becoming corrupted. Though that's Goto so I just don't take it seriously.

Goto never counts. NEVER

At the risk of looking stupid posting this late in the thread:
The Dark Eldar are not allied with chaos, nor do they worship chaos. In fact, theyre closer to hating it. The way they work is that every Eldar has a lust for blood and pain. The Eldar are able to suppress this lust in most accounts, but the Dark Eldar still choose to embrace it.
Slaanesh is also constantly, although slowly, feeding on the dark eldar souls as well. To get around this, they preform raids, in order to fulfill their bloodlust, get slaves, and bring back souls so they can replenish the parts of their soul Slaanesh has eaten.
So, yes, they are evil, but in no way do they like or worship chaos.

Isn't there already a fifth chaos god? Some outcast or another. It had an M in it, I'm sure.

moom241 wrote:Isn't there already a fifth chaos god? Some outcast or another. It had an M in it, I'm sure.

Formerly Malal, now Malice a lesser God of Chaos who is about to lay some serious hurt down

King Pariah wrote:

moom241 wrote:Isn't there already a fifth chaos god? Some outcast or another. It had an M in it, I'm sure.

Formerly Malal, now Malice a lesser God of Chaos who is about to lay some serious hurt down

IIRC, he was retconned.

Malal was retconned, Malice was GW's replacement for us Malal fans. Malice is valid.

Khaine/Khorne, is the only Deity they really worship

King Pariah wrote:Malal was retconned, Malice was GW's replacement for us Malal fans. Malice is valid.

Malice doesn't even come close to Great Tzeentch, let alone the others, or even the Star Gods or the Fallen Emperor.

Jollydevil wrote:At the risk of looking stupid posting this late in the thread:
The Dark Eldar are not allied with chaos, nor do they worship chaos. In fact, theyre closer to hating it. The way they work is that every Eldar has a lust for blood and pain. The Eldar are able to suppress this lust in most accounts, but the Dark Eldar still choose to embrace it.
Slaanesh is also constantly, although slowly, feeding on the dark eldar souls as well. To get around this, they preform raids, in order to fulfill their bloodlust, get slaves, and bring back souls so they can replenish the parts of their soul Slaanesh has eaten.
So, yes, they are evil, but in no way do they like or worship chaos.

There are one or two minor Cabals that do actually worship Slannesh in secret. It would of course result in their immediate destruction if the word got out to the other Dark Eldar. There would be rage, lots of rage.