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Hallo,
at the first I must say sorry about my english.
I have question to 5th rulebook (we have ordered the 6th edition yet ;-)). In 5th edition skimmers may fly in movement phase but in shooting phase or in closecombat phase they are on ground or in the air????

Still in the air, not that it matters.
They're affected just like any other model.

ok if they still in the air why I can charge body? and they can shoot from the air in shooting phase or fron the groud? because i can charge the body in assault phase or in shootin phase the same with the flamer i target the body on the ground and all other units on the ground and skimer is still in the air????

neuminic wrote:ok if they still in the air why I can charge body? and they can shoot from the air in shooting phase or fron the groud? because i can charge the body in assault phase or in shootin phase the same with the flamer i target the body on the ground and all other units on the ground and skimer is still in the air????

Because that's what the rules say.
The units aren't flying, they're skimming.
Just like all skimmers.

OK and where is the poin of wiew in shooting phase (valkirie is about 4" above the ground)? the base is high and the viev is much better than on the ground. When i shoot to the skimmer vith the flamer it is on ground and for my other units is on the ground to?

You shoot from the model. As the rules tell you to (actually from the weapon, but close enough)

The rules are an abstraction. Deal with them.

There is no such thing as flying in 5th ed.

No model is flying in the air.

They are set on their base when you deploy, and after you move them. then they are off the table a bit, but they are still resting on their base.

DeathReaper wrote:There is no such thing as flying in 5th ed.

No model is flying in the air.

They are set on their base when you deploy, and after you move them. then they are off the table a bit, but they are still resting on their base.

ok then when they shooting It have the line of sight from the table (ok little bit skimming) not from the base (some 4" above the table)

neuminic wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:There is no such thing as flying in 5th ed.

No model is flying in the air.

They are set on their base when you deploy, and after you move them. then they are off the table a bit, but they are still resting on their base.

ok then when they shooting It have the line of sight from the table (ok little bit skimming) not from the base (some 4" above the table)

No, you always draw LoS and range from the gun - not from the base.

Are you sure you've read the rules for 5th edition vehicles? They're pretty clear on this stuff.

Yeah, for shooting the vehicles weapons, measure from the actual weapons themselves.

For shooting at the vehicle, measure to the actual hull.


The base is only used for assault purposes, and is used in addition to the hull if its possable to hit both, and dismbarking in the case of the large oval bases with the tall flying stands.

neuminic wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:There is no such thing as flying in 5th ed.

No model is flying in the air.

They are set on their base when you deploy, and after you move them. then they are off the table a bit, but they are still resting on their base.

ok then when they shooting It have the line of sight from the table (ok little bit skimming) not from the base (some 4" above the table)

No, it has LOS from the vehicle weapons, and the base is ON the table - the hull of the vehicle is probably what you meant there

You use the Hull and weapons for LOS and being shot at in return.

Neuminic and me, trying to figure out how to correctly play skimmers (5th edition). If they are shooting, or enemy shoot at them, they are set on the table or they are set on bases?

Thumach wrote:Neuminic and me, trying to figure out how to correctly play skimmers (5th edition). If they are shooting, or enemy shoot at them, they are set on the table or they are set on bases?

Bases. You never, ever remove them from the base. Unless they're immobilized.

They are always set on their bases, stem included, unless the skimmer is immobilized.

OK if they set on the bases how can i charge the hull. when skimmer are not flyers and skimming bit over the table i cant use the model on the tall base (Valkirie) to declarate its line of sight?

Don't have the rules in your language?

5e rules say you charge hull and base for skimmers, like DE raiders, SM land speeders, eldar WaveSerpents, etc.

Aren't there many 5e rule books available for sale, very cheap?

neuminic wrote:OK if they set on the bases how can i charge the hull. when skimmer are not flyers and skimming bit over the table i cant use the model on the tall base (Valkirie) to declarate its line of sight?

You do use the model to declare line of sight.

As far as charging the hull - you're aware there's tall models like Trygons, right?
And if you're too close to a hill/ruins...

neuminic wrote:OK if they set on the bases how can i charge the hull.

Because the skimmer rules also cover models which are much lower to the table, like a Falcon on a low skimmer base. The skimmer rules specifically say you can either charge the hull (if you can reach it), or the base (if you can't reach the hull).

ok rules say You may charge hull or base the same is with the shooting from flamers vhen the model became in shootin phase only skimming bit over the tabe than i can shoot him from flamer and charge but it have the tall valkyrie base about 4" tall than i can because Valkyrie is to far from me. Than valkirie is on its base in move but in shooting phase and in charge only skimming over ibt of the table?

In the case of a flamer shooting a Valk, yeah, if you can't reach you can't reach. Why are you using a flamer against AV12 anyway?

Flamestorm cannon and acid spray are S6 and could glance? Regardless, measure to the Hull for shooting measure to the hull or base if assaulting.

chaos daemons have flamers of tzeench 4+ glance flamer temlpate