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Lord of Change w/Spell destroyer 500

Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut with Armor of Khorne 165

Herald of Khorne, BSB, Armor of Khorne 140

Herald of Khorne, Armor of Khorne 115

Herald of Slaanesh, Siren Song, Torment Blade 120

Blue Scribes 81

28 Bloodletters w/std and musician and icon of endless war 379

28 Bloodletters w/std and musician 354

17 Daemonettes w/std and musician 222

3 Screamers 120

3 Screamers 120

1 Fiend 55

1 Fiend 55

1 Bloodcrusher 70


The idea is that you have the two big blocks in the middle, with 8 small units running around causing havok. 6 of those units have move 10. The herald on crusher can run by itself, with the other crusher or even in the 'letters, depending on what makes the most sense. The greater daemon knows 6 spells, one of which gives more dice... and the scribes give even more dice, so casting spells should be easy.

Thoughts? I could also break the 2nd large bloodletter unit up and go something like 35/15/15.

I played this at a tourney this weekend and won.

In short, the principles worked well. I played against a Dwarf gunline round 1. Round 2 I had both screamers and both fiends into war machines.

Round 2 my LoC blew itself up on an unnecessary spell (but only 4 dice). I lost against WoC when I couldn't break his warriors unit on the bottom of the last turn (6 rerollable).

Round 3 I beat Brets after my Herald on Jugg got wiped by a treb, then the other Treb did 4 wounds to LoC, first turn. Screamers kept flanks safe while 'letters killed knights.

Overall, the screamers weren't quite as good as I'd hoped. I think I'm going to cut one unit of them and try a unit of seekers. They are similar in many respects, but get a vanguard move as opposed to the "fly-over" attack... which really wasn't that impressive. The single crusher wasn't amazing either.

The biggest problem is that stone throwers and cannons are too predominant to take a Greater Daemon. I knew that.

Here is a revised list:

Herald of Khorne X 3, w 3+ armor save (one is BSB)
Herald of Tz with dispel and loremaster (shadow), general
Blue Scribes

35 Bloodletters, mus, std, +d6 charge
19 Bloodletters, mus, std
19 Bloodletters, mus, std
35 Horrors, Changeling, mus, std, +1 to cast

5 Seekers of Slaanesh
1 Slaanesh Chariot
3 Screamers
1 Fiend
1 Fiend

How do you find the Lord of Change doing for you when its only a level 2? For spells, are you leaning on glean magic a lot?

Glean Magic plus the Blue Scribes meant I didn't have any trouble casting my spells.

Most of the Lore of Tz is relatively low cost. With the extra power dice I was getting, I could cast everything I wanted.

The bigger problems were: 1. miscasting a lot because I cast so many spells. I miscast 4 times in my loss, even though I never used more than 4 dice. But I did cast about 20 spells that game. 2. having mostly magic missiles. Because of my opponent's shooting, most of the time I tried to get my LoC into combat. But then I could only cast a couple of spells. Without another caster, it was easier for my opponents to dispel them. 3. The LoC surviving. 6 toughness, 5 wounds and a 5++ isn't enough when almost every army (OK, Skaven, Empire, Bret, WoC, Dwarf, O&G, Tk, hell even DoC now) has a stone thrower or cannon, most of which are close to mandatory for them to take.

Personally I would advise against ever using a Lord of Change short of Kairos because they always end up dying prematurely. Try using a Bloodthrister or Keeper of Secrets, they are far more useful, and against certain armies a Great Unclean One is insanely powerful also.

How does a LoC die any more prematurely than a KoS or kairos?

Haha kairos is like the hardest thing in the book to kill!