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i have been wanting to collect dark angels for quite a while now so i bought a few dark vengeance boxes and would just like some opinions on if what you get in the box is actually any good? i like plasma troops anyway to i have no bother using 2 squads of those split into combat squads, the raven wing is what im not so sure about, i was thinking about using a full group of 6 with a plasma pistol and plasma gun, death wing i quite like the weapons but im not sure about their effectiveness with their DW assault not being able to assault after they arrive.

as i dont have a codex and will not until the new one at the end of november id like some opinions on my list, from what i can remember of the points it should be around 2000 points any input is welcome =)


HQ

company master balthazar, i think taken from the codex is 140 points

basic librarian

ELITES

2 units of death wing from DV

TROOPS

2 units of tactical marines from DV

FAST ATTACK

full raven wing unit (attack bike with MM only)

raven wing support squad ll with MMS

will this be effective? help is much appreciated

Describe the full RW unit, if you can:
Does it have any special weapons?
Is the Sarge coming with any goodies?

You need a couple of rhinos for those Tacts, imo.

And the best way to get a cost effective LS with DA is to load him up Typhoons and stay back.

Apart from that, it seems balanced.

Do yourself a favor and get the codex and faqs. You can probably find an old one for dirt cheap.

It will help you figure out the exact point cost of units.

Just wait until the new codex comes out. In general, regular DA tacticals are crap and are more expensive than every other marine army (except maybe Black Templar) but come with the same stuff.

You get:
1 vet sgt with pistol and chainsword
4 Tacticals with pistols, frag and krak grenades, and bolters
for 90 pts I believe.

Then for 75more you can get 5 more standard dudes. (total of 10).

Then I belive it's 15 pts for a plasma pistol, power weapon, plasma gun. 10 for melta and missile launcher, 5 for HB or flamer, and then I think 20 for a lascannon or plasma cannon.

So for the DV tacticals I believe it is around 215.

DW terminators are great in my opinion. RW bikes have teleport homers. If you deepstrike your DW within 6" of any RW bike they will not scatter. It's perfect. With your shooty termies, plop them to a side and use focus fire to pick off soem heavy weapons etc. Yes they are a huge bullet sponge but they are pretty good at surviving. One suggestion would be to maybe swap out the sgt terminator to have a TH/SS. DW can always mix up their load-outs between ranged and close-combat terminators. But they may never go above 5 men.

Ex
Sgt with TH/SS
Assault Cannon + Cahinfist
SB/PF
SB/PF
SB/PF

For the ravenwing, I'd say give one squad two plasma guns, and the sgt either a sword and melta bomb, or a power fist.

The second could use two flamers and a sgt with sword and melta bomb for anti-horde or copy the above, although your plasma cannons should be able to deal with it.

Give your librarian divination powers. You could also give him terminator armor and deep strike him in with a squad, and give them re-rolls to hit and maybe the ignores cover or counter-attack ability would be great. And just manouvre, shoot and then charge when you can easily wipe the squad. Works great for me.

Hope that helps.

-VardenV2

my raven wing squad ill be having 2 plasma guns, sergeant with plasma pistol and attack bike with multi melta.

i mainly play space wolves but do have armies of the rest of the imperium and i can really feel the age of the dark angels codex

The DV models are hard to convert. It is no point to suggest a set up especially as by the time you have finished that number of models you have a new codex.
If you have other armies to play with in the mean time any chance you can wait?