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Heroes (193pts)
Master Engineer (84pts)
Great Weapon, Gromril Armour, Pistol, Rune Of Stone.

Thane (109pts)
General, Great weapon, Gromril Armour, Master Rune Of Gromril, Rune Of Stone, Rune Of Striking

Core (498pts)
30 Dwarf Warriors (325pts)
Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour Full Command
30x Great Weapon

12 Thunderers (173pts)
Dwarf Handgun, Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Musician

Special (105pts)
Cannon (105pts)
Rune Of Burning, Rune Of Reloading

Thats my list, what do you think? I don't really want to buy any more models because i'm planning on starting a LOTR SBG Easterling list. I have at least 20 warriors with shields and hand weapons and some more thunders as well as a thane/lord with shield bearers.

Deployment: Cannon on one flank, on a nice bit of hill with excellent LOS. I will entrench it. Thunderers on the opposite flank. Warriors block straight down the middle leading the attack with the thane either A) on his own or B) with the warriors.

This is a nice solid list, theres not much you can do to improve this at 800pts.
I would definately place the thane in with the warriors, safety in numbers with the 'look out' rule.


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Personaly I prefer shields to great weapons, if you making a long march towards a missile heavy army then the extra protection will go a long way.

I like it, I would definitly put the Thane insde the Warrior block though

Hey mate,
Firstly I don't really see why you have a Rune of stone and Master Rune Of Gromril, as the master rune can't be improved?
And I think the engineer in such a small game with only one warmachine could be put to more use?
maybe dropping some of the cannons upgrades and getting a grudge thrower or some etc.

Here are my two Warptokens:

- your Master Engineer isn't doing much for you and is taking up a lot of points.

- the Rune of Stone isn't doing anything on your Thane, so drop it for 5 more points. Also, you can't put Runes on your great weapon without first taking Kragg the Grim, so I wouldn't bother at all. A Rune of Resistance would help him a lot, though.

- great weapons are better on Dwarf Warriors in 95% of the situations they ever will or could be in.
That said, in the future, you can leave out the "30X" tag, since you upgrade them all at once or not at all.

- I find that Thunderers perform poorer than Quarrelers almost every time. Choosing between AP and +1 To Hit versus longer range is almost an even trade, but Thunderers cost too much more.
Plus, Quarrelers can get great weapons. A unit of around 15-20 can dish out a lot of punishment in two phases, and still costs 15-20pts less than that many Thunderers.

- the Rune of Reloading isn't very good anymore. I'd either save the points or go for Forging, since it is The Best.
An Engineer with a brace of pistols greatly increases the Cannon's chances of surviving close combat and the effectiveness of its grapeshot, but that's only if you have points.

With all of the above considered, I'd run something like:

- Thane + great weapon + Master Rune of Gromil + Rune of Resistance (119)

- 30 Dwarf Warriors + great weapons+ musician + standard + Veteran (325)
- 17 Quarrelers + great weapons + musician (226)

- Cannon + Rune of Forging + Rune of Burning (130)

Running the Thane on his own isn't something I'd recommend either, though. He won't die in combat or even to shooting very easily, but he doesn't have enough attacks to win combat against even a small unit.

The above post is full of very good advice, but I did notice that your miniature were handguners and Shield armed warriors which is another reason I mentioned shields over great weapons as you said you did not want to get any more figures.

SOme people can get funny about WYSIWYG.

So I revised my list a little bit:

Heroes (119pts)
Thane (119pts)
General, Great weapon, Gromril Armour, Hand Weapon, Master Rune Of Gromril, Rune Of Resistance
Core (498pts)
Dwarf Warriors (325pts)
Heavy Armour, Musician, Standard Bearer, Veteran
30x Dwarf Warriors (300pts)

Thunderers (173pts)
Dwarf Handgun, Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Musician, 12x Thunderer
Special (150pts)
Cannon (150pts)
Rune Of Burning, Rune Of Forging

Only one problem though,asuming my math is correct, I have 33 points to play with. Now what do i spend it on? I was thinking about some more runes for my thane or cannon or i could get a couple more thunderers?

Still keeping the thunderers because A) i've already assembled thunderers from the battlion set and cant change over to crossbows B) I don't want to keep buying models (well i might in the future, would love to add in thorek and his magical anvil). C) Got some really good poses for my thunderers

If you like/already have the Thunderers, by all means, keep 'em. Some people get better results out of them than Quarrelers, depending on your local play styles. I'm confident that Quarrelers are better in more situations, but not by a ton.

As far as spending those last points, I'd get a few more Thunderers.

Cheers for everyones contribution
So, that would meanmy final list looks like this;

Thane (124pts)
General, Great weapon, Gromril Armour, Master Rune Of Gromril, Rune of the Furnace, Rune Of Resistance
Core (526pts)
Dwarf Warriors (325pts)
Heavy Armour, Musician, Standard Bearer, Veteran
30x Dwarf Warriors (300pts)
14x Thunderers (201pts)
Dwarf Handgun, Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Musician
Cannon (150pts)
Rune Of Burning, Rune Of Forging

Would appear my thane is one tough guy. With a 1+ armour save, able to re-roll any failed saving throws and he's also immune to burning. Result. added 2 more thunderers and thats about it worked out at a nice 800 points total

If you have one you should use an organ gun.

Eh. A Cannon is going to handle the stuff that his infantry can't. An Organ Gun is just throwing 2-10 Dwarf Warriors with great weapons at the enemy; he's got enough of them.

Plus, I'll say it a thousand times, I think the Grudge Thrower is a better buy. More versatile, less accurate but with a much longer range, etc.

And yes, I've faced many a Thane with my Skaven hordes, and they are not a fun thing to fight against. My slaves would have to hit him...432 times before he dies, on average.
Unless he's hanging out next to an Anvil of Vaul hill, so they all have flaming attacks. Then it'd take and extra 12,528 to kill him.

Cannon and GT if you can fit em. Those warriors have great weapons? If not then they should.

At 10pts a model, I imagine they do.

At 800pts, 2 war machines is pushing it. I think he'll get more mileage out of a small-ish unit of missile troops.

Yes they do have Great Weapons. I have to say though that thane is almost invincible i did some test rolling just for armour saves and found that, on average, it would take about 88 saving rolls for the thane to die.

Now it's time to break out the brush and paints and go to town,
As I said i didn't want to get any more models at this point, although I will probably expand my collection, come new year time. The list turned out quite nicely, My tactic will have be a defensive one, though.

Well, the average number of armour saves he'll make before he dies depends on the strength of the attack, like 72 for S3 or 4, or 0 for S10.

And a defensive style is exactly what the Ancestor Gods want you to do. Close the doors to the hold and outlast 'em!

Too true! my rolling tests were based on S3 attacks, so 72 to 88 aren't not that far apart, i just found that 88 was the average from the number of rolls i did