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Powerful Chaos Warrior





Georgia, U.S.A.

I am still fairly new to Warmachine/Hordes and am struggling with a attack that a guy did at my FLGS. I play Legion of Everblight and he plays Cryx ....So I am using Lylyth and had moved her up onto the back side of a hill while moving my army into contact with his, she was out of range of all his units, my Carnivean was at the extreme range of her CMD. He then took a revenant cannon crew and fired and hit Lylyth. Now this was probably my second game playing but after reading ranged AOE and LOS I am really trying to understand how he was able to shoot my model when there was no clear LOS. Please advise on this as I am still new and trying to still understand the game.

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Mortality is for those who are to afraid to be great!!

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Oxford, Great Britain

Ok, we have a few things going on here.

Firstly, any attack needs LoS. Any part of the attacker's base can see the target's base. You have differences of base size and in the case of intervening models the attackers base size doesn't matter. Only the target and the model inbetween matter.

Terrain also gets in the way and the important part is the hill. In any game it is best to chat to your opponent about what counts as being on the hill and other terrain effects. You said "had moved her up onto the back side of a hill". Were you on the hill or not? If you were on the hill then the rules are

rules wrote:When drawing line of sight to an elevated target, ignore intervening models on terrain at least 1" lower than the target


So if you were on the hill you were effectively in plain sight but at least would have had a +2 DEF bonus from the elevation. The thing is hills do not block line of sight unless they are really tall, check the terrain rules to make sure you understand this bit as it is a common mistake.

Finally you were shot by the Revenant Cannon Crew. They have a special rule, Ghost Shot. "This model ignores LOS when making attacks with this weapon." So at that point, as long as you were within 14" of the cannon you were in danger.
   
Made in us
Powerful Chaos Warrior





Georgia, U.S.A.

O.K. thanks for the help on this. With the hill issue it was a multiple tier hill. So it had flat spots on the hill with another rise to the top of the hill. But with the special rule in affect it doesn't matter but now the question is would I still have gained the +2 DEF mod? If so I will know for next time ...

RxGhost wrote:Twilight doesn't have vampires.

If you frolic in the forest and sparkle in the sun you are a FAIRY, not a VAMPIRE.



Mortality is for those who are to afraid to be great!!

2500pts Oruscar Dynasty-The re-awakening has come
1500pts Angels Sanguine
Newly started WoC Army  
   
Made in gb
Bane Lord Tartar Sauce





Oxford, Great Britain

Aye, something that it took me a few games to learn is the rules only allow what they say. You gain a bonus from elevation then you have that unless a rule specifically says it ignores the bonus. Ghost Shot says that it ignores LOS, cover and concealment, any other bonus will not be ignored.

One quick point. Don't be afraid to ask for clarifications. Ask your opponent why he can get to you. Most of the time a simple read of a card or two will explain.
   
 
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