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Hey Guys,

I have a massive Khorne army and was looking for a Command Squad as such to lead it (i have about 6000pts) when forge world released Angron i was inspired and decided to use his model to creat my own Character and body guard, I am currently in the process of converting up the models (pics Soon) but i wanted to see people reactions to how i intend to play the unit...

All I plan to do is use the rules in the CSM codex, this unit is perfectly legal with 1 exception and that is that it contains 2 axes of blind fury.... I use the rules for a standard Daemon Prince to represent the Warlord and the rules for lords to form his retinue, the two independent characters just join the daemon princes unit before the game starts to create the one unit. so by the book the unit is:

Warlord:
Daemon Prince
Daemon of Khorne
Black Mace
Power armor

Joined By:
2 x Chaos Lords
Mark of Khorne
Axe of blind fury
Sigil of corruption

but i have added some story and changed the names of some of the weapons etc... check out the attached image for information.....

P.S. im not looking for negative feedback, if you have something constructive to say please do, i would just really like to hear what people think and if people would allow it in friendly games....

P.P.S i do not claim to own any of the artwork or anything in this image, i have just cut and paste a bunch of stuff together and played with the words to make it look cool...


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Just had a more detailed look into it and it may be breaking a few other rules... but based on what you can see above would people allow it?

Sorry to say, but I do not quite get what you have done.

I probably wouldn't allow it because his stats are a bit over the top imo.

The stats are strait out of the CSM codex all I have done is re named the weapons etc.

Personally I think 2 things...
1, is that in freindly games you can do whatever you want really as long as your opponent is cool with it.
but in saying that there are reasons that things like daemon princes cant join squads and that their points cost somewhat reflects this too,
as well as the cost for their 1 per army weapons, 4++ and other rules you have bent a little.
Also the smaller things like the size of the model are also factored into its points cost for what its worth.
2 is this would actually work better as an appocalyse formation where as the rules are a lot more easy going and wouldnt seem so overpowered in 2500+ games.
Just my 2 cents.

Other than that you have done a good job on the page

You have also given the daemon prince a 4++

I wouldn't play against that unit. Maybe in Apoc but I loathe Apoc.

1) Arkhaneth has a rule that says he counts as a Monstrous Creature in all ways. This implies to me that you won't be using a Demon Prince sized model for him. To me that's unacceptable.
2) Your "Axe of Blind Fury" replacement removes a downside (Blinded) and removes the +2 STR. You can't just include that STR in the model's statline.
3) Single model MC units (Demon Princes) can't be joined by ICs for a reason. You're creating a unit that is essentially that.

Moving to the Proposed Rules forum.

There are just too many little additions that aren't from the codex, as well as the fact there's a reason ICs are generally not allowed to attach to single model units.

I wouldn't be willing to play against this.

I would not allow this because he is so powerful, Khorne may not care from whence the blood flows but you do. I think that when creating your own special characters there is one rule to remember. The character must be vunerable to your opponent's army so they can beat him.

The huge power of this model makes him more of a game winner than an intereting addition to the game. You always have to make the points cost a bit too high for your own creations because it is you who wants to use him not your opponent and so you have to pay the points for him.

You could have someone based on Kharn the betrayer. Kharn is not anywhere near as powerful and will die more easily. So remember the mantra of this character you've created "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows".

The 4++ comes from the sigil of corruption which I have included.so realistically the only rules I am bending are Lord's joining with daemon princes and 2 axes of blind fury..... I included the stat changes from the axe (S+2 Ws-1 B.s-1) in the Lord's profile simply so the axe would look more similar to gorefather on the page. I know there is a difference between weapon stats and profile stats (characteristic tests etc) but I don't see that affecting much. As for the size of Arkhaneth. .. Have you seen the angron model! With his cinematic base he Is vvery close in size.
The unit comes in at:
Arkhaneth for 225pts
Bloodcircle guard for 135pts each
I will most likely only ever use it to lead my apocalypse army but are those small rule changes deal breakers?

In apoc it is fine but I remember the days of chapter approved and creating your own unit rules and quite often if you tried to make a unit the same as one from a codex it would be alot more expensive. To me this unit should really be an additional 25% at least, so 750 points+

Well first, how did you make that image, and second, I like it. It's funny how many people flip out over a lord having DP stats.

HAHA McNinja, completely agree, but rules are rules so I have changed the unit to be 100% legal, taken directly from a codex and will be used as allies in my CSM army all I have done is change names of rules / wargear etc to make it suit the khorne army that I have..... but from a rules perspective this is 100% legal

P.S all I did was photoshop Abbaddons rules

100points to whoever can guess what codex I am using

LOL! Necron FTW!

and now another installment of "Why the fans don't write the rules"...

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
and now another installment of "Why the fans don't write the rules"...

"LIKE"

Although im sure the chaos codex would look like this if Matt Ward wrote it

Might have to make an ork warboss with some meganobz following these rules too.. HAHHAHA