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Does it follow those rules for swords / axes / staffs etc (AP3 or AP2 or AP4) which would make it a staff I guess or does it follow some special rules?

The Grey Knight Warding Staff (if its the same type of staff your talking about) just counts as a CCW not a power weapon so it has no AP but grants a 2++ in close combat only. Which can be crazy useful in a challenge.

 Messy0 wrote:
The Grey Knight Warding Staff (if its the same type of staff your talking about) just counts as a CCW not a power weapon so it has no AP but grants a 2++ in close combat only. Which can be crazy useful in a challenge.

Actually, it's an "Unusual Force Weapon"

For Rune Priest it is a Runic Weapon, ap 3 or 4 can't remember with the force weapon special rule, it is also a runic weapon which stops all psykic powers within 24" on a roll of a 4+, a 3+ for Njal's runic staff.

No Messy, I meant the staff things librarians and rune priests often carry around. Crozus something or another? It has some wing design on top?


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 Purifier wrote:

 Messy0 wrote:
The Grey Knight Warding Staff (if its the same type of staff your talking about) just counts as a CCW not a power weapon so it has no AP but grants a 2++ in close combat only. Which can be crazy useful in a challenge.

Actually, it's an "Unusual Force Weapon"

Oh right, the Unusual Force Weapon rule. That means they are always AP3 right, along with the weapons other special powers?

 Purifier wrote:

 Messy0 wrote:
The Grey Knight Warding Staff (if its the same type of staff your talking about) just counts as a CCW not a power weapon so it has no AP but grants a 2++ in close combat only. Which can be crazy useful in a challenge.

Actually, it's an "Unusual Force Weapon"

Does that mean you can activate it as a force weapon and get ID kills even though it has no AP?

The warding stave is not what comes on the standard Librarian model, it's taken as an upgrade in the Grey Knight codex.

The actual GW model of the Librarian in Terminator Armour has him holding a Force Staff (see Unusual Force Weapons in the BRB)

The codex you're selecting to use him with should tell you what weapons he comes with as standard in his Wargear section, it may not necessarily be what's on the GW model. For example, the GK Librarian has a Force Sword as standard in their codex, not a Force Staff. You'd need to alter/convert the model to field him as he's intended. The staff would however be perfectly acceptable to use as a Warding Stave as long as you paid the upgrade points for it.

 Messy0 wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Messy0 wrote:
The Grey Knight Warding Staff (if its the same type of staff your talking about) just counts as a CCW not a power weapon so it has no AP but grants a 2++ in close combat only. Which can be crazy useful in a challenge.

Actually, it's an "Unusual Force Weapon"

Does that mean you can activate it as a force weapon and get ID kills even though it has no AP?

I don't own the GK codex, but if it's a force weapon with additional rules, then it is classified as an unusual force weapon and it is ap3 pg. 60 of the brb.

Super Newb wrote:
No Messy, I meant the staff things librarians and rune priests often carry around. Crozus something or another? It has some wing design on top?


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 Purifier wrote:

 Messy0 wrote:
The Grey Knight Warding Staff (if its the same type of staff your talking about) just counts as a CCW not a power weapon so it has no AP but grants a 2++ in close combat only. Which can be crazy useful in a challenge.

Actually, it's an "Unusual Force Weapon"

Oh right, the Unusual Force Weapon rule. That means they are always AP3 right, along with the weapons other special powers?

Yes.

 Messy0 wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Messy0 wrote:
The Grey Knight Warding Staff (if its the same type of staff your talking about) just counts as a CCW not a power weapon so it has no AP but grants a 2++ in close combat only. Which can be crazy useful in a challenge.

Actually, it's an "Unusual Force Weapon"

Does that mean you can activate it as a force weapon and get ID kills even though it has no AP?

Yes, and it's AP3.

 Messy0 wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Messy0 wrote:
The Grey Knight Warding Staff (if its the same type of staff your talking about) just counts as a CCW not a power weapon so it has no AP but grants a 2++ in close combat only. Which can be crazy useful in a challenge.

Actually, it's an "Unusual Force Weapon"

Does that mean you can activate it as a force weapon and get ID kills even though it has no AP?

You realize that ID doesn't mean "no armor save" right?

Super Newb wrote:
No Messy, I meant the staff things librarians and rune priests often carry around. Crozus something or another? It has some wing design on top?

You're thinking of Chaplains. A Crozius Arcanum is a Power Maul carried by Chaplains.

And for the record, Runic Weapons ate always Unusual Force Weapons, since they have further special rules in CC (wounding daemons on 4+ (or is it 2+?)).

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
No Messy, I meant the staff things librarians and rune priests often carry around. Crozus something or another? It has some wing design on top?

You're thinking of Chaplains. A Crozius Arcanum is a Power Maul carried by Chaplains.

And for the record, Runic Weapons ate always Unusual Force Weapons, since they have further special rules in CC (wounding daemons on 4+ (or is it 2+?)).

Oh, I thought Rune Priests had a similar looking staffy thing, I thought it was the same weapon with just a different name.

Super Newb wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
No Messy, I meant the staff things librarians and rune priests often carry around. Crozus something or another? It has some wing design on top?

You're thinking of Chaplains. A Crozius Arcanum is a Power Maul carried by Chaplains.

And for the record, Runic Weapons ate always Unusual Force Weapons, since they have further special rules in CC (wounding daemons on 4+ (or is it 2+?)).

Oh, I thought Rune Priests had a similar looking staffy thing, I thought it was the same weapon with just a different name.

Rune Priests are the space wolf librarians, wolf priests are their chaplains.
Rune priests have unusual force weapons, wolf priests have power mauls like every other chaplain.

force/power staves are listed with the same profile as power/force mauls in the BRB

IE +2 str at AP4