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Hi everyone, I am posting my current Black Templar Army, at around 2200pts. Any suggesting on improving it or adding on(I want to get up to 3000pts for a larger scale game with about 2000pts of IG as allies). Here is what I currently have:

Emperor's Champion:abhor the witch

Master of Sanctity chaplain: jump pack, artificer armor.

Marshal: artificer armor, power weapon, combimelta

Castellan: Artificer, power weapon, storm bolter

Sword Brethren (I know that these are basically pointless, but people i play with just say they're regular veteran stats)

tactical squad: missile launcher, melta

tactical squad: missile launcher, plasma gun

tactical squad: melta, plasma gun

tactical squad: heavy bolter, power weapon

5 man assault squad: power weapon, plasma pistol, meltabombs.

Tactical squad: lascannon, missile launcher, multi melta, plasma cannon. (I switch out these four heavy weapons depending on the game, normally its lascannon or plasma)

terminator squad: assault cannon

6 man team: flamer

Razorback: lascannon

Iron clad Dreadnought: hunter killer missile. (Trading for a Venerable)

I have been putting the assault squad with my Chaplain, and that has been working very well. So I am thinking about bumping it up to a ten man squad. Also I am considering a Predator or Land Raider, and some bikes or land speeders. I was also wondering if more dreadnoughts would be a good idea or not? All help is appreciated!

Which codex are you using? BTs don't have "heavy support squads" or ironclads.

Can you clarify what you're trying to achieve exactly?

What's with your special/heavy weapons? They are really all over the place. You're freaking me out.

All apologies. I am sort of new, by heavy weapons I meant it is a squad and i swap out the four weapons for certain situations and different games.

The Ironclad was a gift so i just threw it in. Thank you for the corrections, I am using the most recent codex, But the league i play in is real laid back so a lot of people just let things slide(they like the challenge), I am trading the ironclad for a venerable however. I am sorry for the confusion! I am still pretty new and trying to figure out a good, "legal" army haha

What I am trying to achieve is a better Templar force, and seeking ideas on filling/replacing empty and or needed spots. So any help from you all is greatly appreciated. And i apologize for the confusion or for freaking you out once again! Sorry if i screwed this up to, I tried to post it like the forum rules stated.

I would add in some Land Speeder Typhoons or Bike Squads with meltas for anti-tank.

Make the assault squad ten man strong...

Take Land Raider Crusaders I'm not a fan of having to pay 110-150 points for a Predator when Codex marines only have to pay 60-140 points for one.

Add more guys with CCW to sit in the Land Raider Crusader(s) so you have a bit more punch in assault.

Sword Brethren I've found, if armed right and used boldly can be quite useful, like giving them power weapons and swarming an objective out of a transport works well as they kill all the models guarding the objective and then contest it.

Also I'd add in some Rhinos maybe or Drop pods just to make them faster...

Yea I am definitely going to make the assault squad ten man with my chaplain.
For the land raider, should I put a marshal with a ten man squad plus neophytes or should I do terminators? I figure if I have more numbers jumping out, there wont be much of a threat left to worry about. Or the sword brethren would probably be great as well.

I've never used bikes or land speeders, but do you think a list like this would work out?

2 land speeders, one as a Typhoon.

3 initiate bikers, one attack bike.

Thanks for the help

If you are going to use LR, I'd suggest making them LRCs and maximizing their capacity (15, not the usual 16). If you are going to load up a Crusader squad in a LR with the chaplain, I'd make the Chaplain as durable as possible for challenges. The Crusader squad should be maxed out too since the Chaplain provides re-roll to misses. 10 Initiates and 4 Neophytes. All with CCW/Chainsword, Melta, and Powerfist/Sword (which you prefer, I like PF myself).

If you were using the Land Speeders I would use two Typhoons (double the shots)

And with the Bikes I would take two meltas or one melta one plasma instead of the attack bike.

For the LRC use a full 15 Man crusader squad (give a special weapon dependent on the opponent) either a PW or PF, A marshal with adamantine mantle, PW and possibly artficer armour.

Yea my chaplain has a jump pack so i put him with the assault squads and deep strike them. But that is a good idea to have a chaplain jumping out of the land raider for the re-rolls.

I am going to pick up a LRC today, so what else should I grab? Land speeders/ bikes for tank hunters are what I am leaning towards. Or should I prioritize transports for my troops so I can quickly move them around the board?


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Also I was wondering if it is better to use a regular marshal/castellan or if High Marshal Helbrecht would be a better HQ choice?

Do your opponents often use tanks?

If they do get the bikes or Speeders.

If they use small armies pick up some transports to move your crusaders faster.

A regular Marshal imo but I have never used Helbrecht in a competitive game...

My opponents play SM, Necrons, Orks, and Eldar, all except Orks use tanks. But the main threats are the SM and Necron vehicles, so I am thinking on having the two speeders, one typhoon and one tornado both will have multi meltas.

Yea i was curious about helbrecht, he has better stats. an extra wound, extra attack, and comes with all the equipment. I have only used regular marshals, but am wondering if helbrecht is worth the upgrade.

I would just use them both as typhoons but thats just me.

Helbrecht could be hit or miss but a lot of units and characters in the BT codex are... Definately due a revamp, would love to see their MC as an Emperors Champion version of the Riptide, that would be cool haha.

Yea, I cannot wait till the new codex myself.
I figured the tornado could provide cover/lead the way for the typhoon with the 4 shots at Str. 6 AP 4? But the two typhoons ig could be useful with two templates instead of one...
Thank you again for all the help,it is greatly appreciated!

When you make the list, a "Full squad of Crusaders" is 14man + HQ. For some reason our LRCs only hold 15 men, not 16. I mentioned it earlier.

Land Speeders are hit or miss. If enemy have answers for them, they can die quite quickly and often give first blood.

Venerable Dreadnoughts with Tank Hunters is extremely effective.

I would also suggest never getting Rhinos and Razorbacks. They are extremely overpriced compared to other codexes. Drop pods, however, are one of the cheapest.

I personally run two LRCs, but that's a huge point-sink (and money sink). With 2 LRCs and two large Crusader squads to fill them (as well as the HQs to maximize them), it quickly turns into 800-1000 points.

Yea I got one LRC today, and a land speeder. Plus 5 more assault troops to finish that squad. Thanks for the help. Any more tips?

Don't isolate your LRC and squad when you use them in game always have a unit to back them up especially against horde armies, I recommend a unit of 8 marines in a Rhino with a flamer to support against hordes or a unit of 8 in a Rhino with plasma against most others.

Ok, so I have a 6 man squad with my razorback, (5 marines, 1 neophytes) that have CCW with a flamer, so is that good back up plus the Terminators or ten man assault squad or should I invest in a rhino with the 8 man teams?

I just don't like rhinos because they're easy targets, my friend who uses em with his SM always has it blown up and half the time its when troops are still inside. I might go with Saythings' advice and use drop pods however, that seems like it could be very effective. Thank you again for the help!

4 marines and 2 neo's is illegal, minimal is 5 marines, and up to as many neo's, never more than there are marines.

With all the extra points you want to fill, just slap tons of upgrades on your characters. The Marshal in TA with ss/th and adamantine mantle and bionics is one tough cookie. Put him in a LRC with assault termies (3x ss/th 2x lightning claws)
This works really well with accept any challenge on your champion, as all your units get RAGE on the charge, which is awesome...
More 5 man squads (+1 neo) with las/plas or rocket/plas would really be useful, and can hang back waiting to move onto objectives later on.
10 assault marines with the chaplain is poetry in motion, but you must be careful getting them close to then enemy with the numbers to get the job done.

Templars are a difficult army to use, especially in 6th, and if your a newb to the game, maybe run them as vanilla marines instead, probably better that way.

Ok thanks for the help.

I've been using AtW over Rage a lot recently. The increase in psykers generally make it so you always get the extra d6" in deployment and take advantage of the 5+ DtW. It's huge. Doubling your chances of denying enemy powers.

Not only that, but it's 30 points cheaper. That's an entire Drop Pod, or 3 Neophytes, or 2 Initiates and an upgrade, etc.

Rage only works on charges which is great for LRCs (which I use 2 of), but the next few combats are going to be back to back while you're still locked, or it's going to wipe the unit your assaulting, then it's the enemies turn to assault. Most enemies will cast maledictions on your troops that are in combat to give them the edge. A 5+ DtW never hurts.

Plus, the +d6" after normal deployment is huge. If you happen to get 4" or higher, it almost guarantees a Turn2 assault on anything but Hammer and Anvil (with proper deployment). With premeasuring in 6th edition, enemies will measure how far your LRCs are from them first turn to keep themselves safe as well. Not many players know about the extra movement we get when there is an enemy psyker. It's a nice element of surprise.

Edit:
I don't really like Assault Marines, but if they are your guilty sin and want to include them with a Chaplain, try squeezing in 2 SS's. It's very expensive, I know, but you put the Chaplain in the front with a 2+ save, and when you get shot at with AP2 or better, you Look Out Sir to the SS to keep the squad at full strength as long as possible. I don't usually run Assault Marines because of their lack of Special Weapons. If they could get 1-2 Meltas like their BA brothers, I would run them more often.

Also, if you do decide to use BT Assault Marines, always pick up Melta Bombs for the squad. Most armies can only run 1 Melta Bomb on their sergeant. Having 10 Melta Bombs moving 12"+d6" a turn is quite threatening to any army (with MCs or Mech). Once again, this adds to their point cost, but they simply can't be ignored at this point.

Yea the assault squad with my chaplain has worked great in the games i've used it in. All have melta bombs.
In the five man squad i just bought to put with the others, I have two with SS, and I will try that look out sir in my next game.

I will try that AtW oath also, I wasn't sure about it, but after seeing it explained I think it would be worth it. And not to mention the extra points never hurt.

Thanks again for the advice and help. It is greatly appreciated!