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 Peregrine wrote:
And seriously, if "I'm not technically racist, I'm just bigoted against Muslims" is the best you have to offer in your defense, well, I think your character (or lack thereof) is well established.

Oh, how cute it is that you lot don't seem to share the same concept of 'bigotry' when it comes to Christians.

And this is me speaking as an atheist.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Oh, how cute it is that you lot don't seem to share the same concept of 'bigotry' when it comes to Christians.

And this is me speaking as an atheist.

Oh, how cute, a straw man argument. I don't recall ever saying that all Christians are violent extremists who can't be trusted.

 Peregrine wrote:
Oh, how cute, a straw man argument. I don't recall ever saying that all Christians are violent extremists who can't be trusted.

Speaking of straw men, I don't recall seeing -him- say that, either.

Consistency isn't your strong point, is it?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Speaking of straw men, I don't recall seeing -him- say that, either.

Consistency isn't your strong point, is it?

Sigh.

Now if I saw a dude with a black rag over his head, claiming ancestry to mohamed then I would keep one eye open around him.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Speaking of straw men, I don't recall seeing -him- say that, either.

Consistency isn't your strong point, is it?

Sigh.

Now if I saw a dude with a black rag over his head, claiming ancestry to mohamed then I would keep one eye open around him.

He said he wouldn't trust them. That's not "they are all violent extremists that should not be trusted".

That's how he feels. I have certain feelings about specific types of people. I'm not saying 'they should not be trusted'. I am saying "I do not trust them", or "I do not want to be around them".

Does being perpetually offended ever earn you any specific favor, items, or status?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
He said he wouldn't trust them. That's not "they are all violent extremists that should not be trusted".

That's how he feels. I have certain feelings about specific types of people. I'm not saying 'they should not be trusted'. I am saying "I do not trust them", or "I do not want to be around them".

Does being perpetually offended ever earn you any specific favor, items, or status?

Oh FFS, are you seriously going to nitpick the difference between "I don't trust them" and "they shouldn't be trusted"? Is that honestly the best argument you have here? "I don't trust Muslims" is still pretty racist and/or bigoted, so I really don't see what your point is besides arguing for the sake of arguing.

 Peregrine wrote:

Oh FFS, are you seriously going to nitpick the difference between "I don't trust them" and "they shouldn't be trusted"? Is that honestly the best argument you have here?

There is a fundamental difference between someone stating how they feel, and how you should feel.

I'm sorry that this concept seems to be too far complicated for you, but I do suspect you are of the stock that spends much of its time dictating how others should feel, so I can understand the confusion.

"Muslim" is not a race. It has never been, nor will it ever be, any more than 'Christian'.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
There is a fundamental difference between someone stating how they feel, and how you should feel.

That makes no sense at all. "I don't trust Muslims" implies "Muslims shouldn't be trusted", unless the person in question is completely irrational, chooses who to trust at random without any good reasons, and doesn't believe that their trust decisions are made for good reasons. Or, to put it in another context, if I say "I don't trust that ebay seller, he tried to scam me over some 40k models" it's a pretty safe bet that I believe my reasons for not trusting them are good and that you shouldn't buy from that person either.

"Muslim" is not a race. It has never been, nor will it ever be, any more than 'Christian'.

It isn't by the strictest literal definition, but what people perceive as "Muslim" is strongly connected to race. And, again, "I'm not racist, I'm just bigoted" is hardly a compelling defense. Nitpicking which awful thing you are doesn't change the fact that both of them are pretty bad.

 Peregrine wrote:
That makes no sense at all. "I don't trust Muslims" implies "Muslims shouldn't be trusted", unless the person in question is completely irrational, chooses who to trust at random without any good reasons, and doesn't believe that their trust decisions are made for good reasons. Or, to put it in another context, if I say "I don't trust that ebay seller, he tried to scam me over some 40k models" it's a pretty safe bet that I believe my reasons for not trusting them are good and that you shouldn't buy from that person either.

I don't like ranch on pizza. I dislike people who make large orders in the drive-thru. I don't like people who wear Tapout shirts and walk around staring at people in the bar.

Absolutely none of these are stating that you should feel the same way. No one is dictating how you should feel.

But keep trying to do mental gymnastics.

 Peregrine wrote:
It isn't by the strictest literal definition, but what people perceive as "Muslim" is strongly connected to race. And, again, "I'm not racist, I'm just bigoted" is hardly a compelling defense. Nitpicking which awful thing you are doesn't change the fact that both of them are pretty bad.

Muslim is not connected to 'race'. You are now making things up to justify some disturbing fetish to call someone a racist.

Does calling someone 'racist' actually do anything where you are from? I've come to see it as a dog-whistle for someone who can't win an argument.

If you like, you can call me a racist. It doesn't particularly bother me. I don't particularly mind it at all.

After all, baseless name-calling on the internet is something of an amusement for me.

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No. I'm not getting dragged into this insanity. If the best arguments you have are "he only said that he doesn't trust Muslims, not that you shouldn't" and "he isn't technically racist, he's just bigoted" then I think we're done. Regardless of the ridiculous pile of nitpicking you keep posting it's still an awful thing to believe, and his willingness to proudly state it on a public forum speaks quite loudly about his character (or lack thereof).

Quite.


we're more than OT here.