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I know for me personally, being very competitive, I LOVE seeing literally as many as possible av 10-11-12 vehicles on my opponent's side of the field.

It just means that my MEQ units can fire and assault them to death, my firewarriors can blow open the back armor of a dreadnought and my missle launcher havoc's just cause chaos for the opponent's walkers.

I eat them alive over and over with SO many types of guns being effective against them and with their weapons being so utterly ineffectual.

13 and 14 are kind of in a class of their own, most solid shot gun's are impervious to them and they hold their own I find. Especially if kept in their respective armies back quarters with rear and side armor's protected.



I would like to see a change. I want to use my Rhino's again, Berserker's aren't the same without their transports being effective. I want to skim around the battlefield with Piranha's and stomp guardsmen with my ork walkers.

I suggest implementing a system similiar to what some Necron vehicles have. A higher upfront AV that is only possibly cracked by certain guns but once penetrated the hull fails to protect and the AV drops.

This would keep units that just have no business shooting at vehicles in their own place on the battlefield. It just feels DIRTY tearing apart the back of a Furioso that just tore apart a Warlord with 54 points of firewarriors. But once the vehicle is penetrated the AV drops, as it would IRL. Very fluffy. It makes melta's special again, puts strng 7 spam where it should be and would force people to balance around them. I do NOT suggest this for flyers.

Opinions? Obviously giving it to everyone takes away from the Necron army but for the good of the game I think it's worth it.

Its not survivability that has taken some vehicles out of the game, its utility.

They no longer contest, even units inside them no longer contest/score. You can't assault out of them even when stationary, they are really easy to hit in combat, even when moving super fast or being a walker VS Grenades.

For me these are the reasons vehicles are less popular, instead of changing stats and damage rolls you'd do better just altering some of the above if your game group wants more effective vehicles.

If you want better game balance between all units, you need a single damage resolution to cover ALL unit types.

This allows natural and intuitive interaction .

But GW are not interested in that.They just want to sell the latest new kit by changing the meta every edition.

WisdomLS wrote:
Its not survivability that has taken some vehicles out of the game, its utility.

They no longer contest, even units inside them no longer contest/score. You can't assault out of them even when stationary, they are really easy to hit in combat, even when moving super fast or being a walker VS Grenades.

For me these are the reasons vehicles are less popular, instead of changing stats and damage rolls you'd do better just altering some of the above if your game group wants more effective vehicles.

i for one got fed up of seeing a landraider parked on a distant objective, with some troops in it, winning the game for the enemy with nothing i could do about it (ork player with other things to do, like kill squishy things, and no ranged capable of cracking AV14). so i welcomed having to be outside of vehicles to claim an objective.

as for assaulting out of vehicles, it's like someone said on another board, 'the difference between open-topped and closed topped vehicles - compare a bunch of hillbillys jumping out of a truck to a bunch of old ladies getting out of a bus'. and quite right, too. if you want to assault, you have to plan it! though i will agree that stationary vehicles should have been assault-out-of-able, and certainly vehicles wrecked in the previous players turn!

easily hit in combat i like, i was fed up of skimmers moving 1/2" and becoming oh-so-difficult to hit. now i'm fed up of skimmers moving 1/2" and getting a jink save. there should have been a minimum movement for that, no mistake.


to make vehicles viable, i'd give them a save - roll to hit, roll to 'wound' (armour pen), roll to save, see if they actually did anything more than superficial damage. I'd also have had a roll of a 1 does nothing - you hit the vehicle, you went through its armour, you hit nothing vital and the crew got over it. that way only AP1/2 would guarantee something happens.

Lanrak wrote:
If you want better game balance between all units, you need a single damage resolution to cover ALL unit types.

This allows natural and intuitive interaction .

But GW are not interested in that.They just want to sell the latest new kit by changing the meta every edition.

Well there is some logic behind GW's decision.

I haven't played 6th in ages. Never used vehicles so not sure if this is viable or not.

Why not double the Hull Points, or is it Hit Points? So instead of 2, say 4. Instead of 3, say 6. This should make them last longer, not sure if over powered or not.

I just wish GW introduced an actual AP in the game. This way AP effects everything Armour, Power Armour, IG T-Shirts and regular people, what ever they have.

A tank is not put down the same way a person is really, althouh a unit's effectiveness should really decline as they lose wounds and hull points.