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So as we all know Angron had 2 chain axes during the heresy, Gorefather and Gorechild. But in the year 40k Deamon Prince angron only has gorefather and gore child is wielded kharn. How did that happen? Angron doesnt seem like the type to hand over his weapons, and didnt Kharn go rogue after he lit all those other world eaters on fire? Its kind of a stupid question but im curious

Angron was still a primarch and thus vastly intelligent and he had his moments of tranquility. Gorefather was a much bigger 2 handed chainaxe even proportional to Angron (about as tall as him) and Gorechild was a standard chainaxe compared to Angron. Kharn and Angron were bros who had been through a lot of bloodshed together and Angron gifted him with Gorechild to show a bit of platonic affection to him. It was no biggy to Angron because Gorefather was way bigger and way more destructive.

ThePrimordial wrote:
Angron was still a primarch and thus vastly intelligent and he had his moments of tranquility. Gorefather was a much bigger 2 handed chainaxe even proportional to Angron (about as tall as him) and Gorechild was a standard chainaxe compared to Angron. Kharn and Angron were bros who had been through a lot of bloodshed together and Angron gifted him with Gorechild to show a bit of platonic affection to him. It was no biggy to Angron because Gorefather was way bigger and way more destructive.

Makes sense. Would that have been before Angron went all Deamon Prince or after

 WE Drake Man wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:
Angron was still a primarch and thus vastly intelligent and he had his moments of tranquility. Gorefather was a much bigger 2 handed chainaxe even proportional to Angron (about as tall as him) and Gorechild was a standard chainaxe compared to Angron. Kharn and Angron were bros who had been through a lot of bloodshed together and Angron gifted him with Gorechild to show a bit of platonic affection to him. It was no biggy to Angron because Gorefather was way bigger and way more destructive.

Makes sense. Would that have been before Angron went all Deamon Prince or after

It's hard to tell. I believe it was after he became a daemon prince because he had both the entire heresy & he became a prince when the heresy was closing into a climax.

The book Betrayer tells how Kharn got Gorechild. Angron just wrecked the blade against a Warhound Titan. He just threw the weapon away, as it was now useless to him. Kharn asked chapter serfs to pick up all the teeth from the axe they could find, but not to tell Angron (he considered somebody else using his weapon as a bad omen/luck from his gladiator days). So Kharn got it repaired as best he could (some missing teeth) and wielded it ever since. Angron accepted the fact afterward, but he was probably already too far gone to care anyway.

I don't think Angron uses Gorefather anymore either. He threw away both axes I believe. He used them to dig himself out of rubble and they were destroyed. He uses. A daemon forged black sword now.

And Gorechild was completely put back together. Kharn tore the teeth of the Mica dragon skeleton that Angron had on his ship to replace the teeth the techpriests couldn't find

Angron's black blade was destroyed in the 1st War for Armegeddon. Well, I imagine he has free reign of Khorne's armouries so getting a replacement shouldn't be too hard.

I apologize for going a bit off topic here, but I find these discussions of 40K lore and past "history" to be extremely enjoyable. I imagine that religious scholars have these same type of discussions about the "old world" and the great people that lived in it. If you really think about it, there are enough people worldwide who absolutely love this hobby and it's fluff so much (myself included), that one could almost form a type of "religion" out of it.

Imagine if the 40K authors, Dan Abnett, James Swallow, etc. got together with the designers of the 40K universe and created an actual book, tome, bible, whatever you want to call it, of the complete history of warhammer 40K. That would be amazing, and I for one would love to read and study it. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this 40K universe and all of it's colorful characters, are so much more interesting to read and learn about than Scientology, which as you know was created in 1953 by L. Ron Hubbard. One man.

Is it such a stretch of the imagination that someone couldn't do that today with 40K?

 sub-zero wrote:
I apologize for going a bit off topic here, but I find these discussions of 40K lore and past "history" to be extremely enjoyable. I imagine that religious scholars have these same type of discussions about the "old world" and the great people that lived in it. If you really think about it, there are enough people worldwide who absolutely love this hobby and it's fluff so much (myself included), that one could almost form a type of "religion" out of it.

Imagine if the 40K authors, Dan Abnett, James Swallow, etc. got together with the designers of the 40K universe and created an actual book, tome, bible, whatever you want to call it, of the complete history of warhammer 40K. That would be amazing, and I for one would love to read and study it. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this 40K universe and all of it's colorful characters, are so much more interesting to read and learn about than Scientology, which as you know was created in 1953 by L. Ron Hubbard. One man.

Is it such a stretch of the imagination that someone couldn't do that today with 40K?

haha youre not the only one who loves the fluff, I make threads like this all the time just for the conversations. I dont know about a religion devoted to 40k but a big book with all the history would be amazing

Imagine if the 40K authors, Dan Abnett, James Swallow, etc. got together with the designers of the 40K universe and created an actual book, tome, bible, whatever you want to call it, of the complete history of warhammer 40K. That would be amazing, and I for one would love to read and study it. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this 40K universe and all of it's colorful characters, are so much more interesting to read and learn about than Scientology, which as you know was created in 1953 by L. Ron Hubbard. One man.

While that would be cool, it's not going to happen. There's so many things in 40K that are not compatible with each other (by intent) and others that are simply not known, or are interpreted with different meanings or different scenarios, even in-universe, that there's no way to compile a tome of accurate "lore" to 40K.

Shoot, even in this thread, we have 2 interpretations of this event... in one, Gorechild is a gift. In the other? Gorechild was a bit of scavenged war-gear. Which one is "true"? The actual answer is "either of them could be true, both of them are true, your pick".

 sub-zero wrote:
I apologize for going a bit off topic here, but I find these discussions of 40K lore and past "history" to be extremely enjoyable. I imagine that religious scholars have these same type of discussions about the "old world" and the great people that lived in it. If you really think about it, there are enough people worldwide who absolutely love this hobby and it's fluff so much (myself included), that one could almost form a type of "religion" out of it.

Imagine if the 40K authors, Dan Abnett, James Swallow, etc. got together with the designers of the 40K universe and created an actual book, tome, bible, whatever you want to call it, of the complete history of warhammer 40K. That would be amazing, and I for one would love to read and study it. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this 40K universe and all of it's colorful characters, are so much more interesting to read and learn about than Scientology, which as you know was created in 1953 by L. Ron Hubbard. One man.

Is it such a stretch of the imagination that someone couldn't do that today with 40K?

I'm a big fluff fan. Me and my twin discuss all the intricacies and mysteries of the 40k universe. That's what I love about it, how there are so many hallways to explore and doors to open.