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Successfully casting quicken allows you to run an additional +3 inches. Does this stack with itself upon successful castings from separate psykers in the same unit?

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Successfully casting quicken allows you to run an additional +3 inches. Does this stack with itself upon successful castings from separate psykers in the same unit?

short answer: No, only different powers stack.

Long answer look for the enfeeble thread.

Short answer yes they stack. Or no they don't.

Long answer follow Sirlynchmobs advice.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Successfully casting quicken allows you to run an additional +3 inches. Does this stack with itself upon successful castings from separate psykers in the same unit?

short answer: No, only different powers stack.

Long answer look for the enfeeble thread.

There is no rule in the rulebook that states that only different powers can stack. The ambiguity of whether Enfeeble stacks or not is doe to the "Whilst the power is in effect" wording, which Quicken shares. So no one knows for certain whether it's supposed to be able to stack with itself or not.

In the poll, the "no" side won

51% to 49% is still a win.

So talk about it with your group or TO, and slowly back away from this thread as it's probably going to go down hill from here

 PrinceRaven wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Successfully casting quicken allows you to run an additional +3 inches. Does this stack with itself upon successful castings from separate psykers in the same unit?

short answer: No, only different powers stack.

Long answer look for the enfeeble thread.

There is no rule in the rulebook that states that only different powers can stack. The ambiguity of whether Enfeeble stacks or not is doe to the "Whilst the power is in effect" wording, which Quicken shares. So no one knows for certain whether it's supposed to be able to stack with itself or not.

Wrong. The rulebook explicitly says the same power doesn't stack. The ambiguity comes from what 'different' means.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Successfully casting quicken allows you to run an additional +3 inches. Does this stack with itself upon successful castings from separate psykers in the same unit?

short answer: No, only different powers stack.

Long answer look for the enfeeble thread.

There is no rule in the rulebook that states that only different powers can stack. The ambiguity of whether Enfeeble stacks or not is doe to the "Whilst the power is in effect" wording, which Quicken shares. So no one knows for certain whether it's supposed to be able to stack with itself or not.

Wrong. The rulebook explicitly says the same power doesn't stack. The ambiguity comes from what 'different' means.

Quote and page number.

rollawaythestone wrote:
Wrong. The rulebook explicitly says the same power doesn't stack.

Perhaps you have a different definition of the word "explicit".

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Successfully casting quicken allows you to run an additional +3 inches. Does this stack with itself upon successful castings from separate psykers in the same unit?

short answer: No, only different powers stack.

Long answer look for the enfeeble thread.

No such rule as the bolded actually exists in the rulebook. As per the tenets of the forum please back up your assertion with a rulebook page and paragraph, or retract it.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Successfully casting quicken allows you to run an additional +3 inches. Does this stack with itself upon successful castings from separate psykers in the same unit?

short answer: No, only different powers stack.

Long answer look for the enfeeble thread.

No such rule as the bolded actually exists in the rulebook. As per the tenets of the forum please back up your assertion with a rulebook page and paragraph, or retract it.

Yep, called it.

Your side lost the vote, just accept it and the majority of the people on dakka read it that way. so maybe during the next poll you should make a better case.

sirlynchmob wrote:
Yep, called it.

Your side lost the vote, just accept it and the majority of the people on dakka read it that way. so maybe during the next poll you should make a better case.

1) Argue the point. Either the rules support you, or they don't.
2) People (as a collective) can be wrong
3) It seemed quite strange to me that a poll that was at >60% in favor of stacking after over a month managed to flip to 49%/51% in just a few days.
4) You're talking about a 2 vote difference out of 249 and claiming moral high ground. I mean, how pedantic can you get?
5) Argue the point. Either the rules support you, or they don't.

Quark wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
Yep, called it.

Your side lost the vote, just accept it and the majority of the people on dakka read it that way. so maybe during the next poll you should make a better case.

1) Argue the point. Either the rules support you, or they don't.
2) People (as a collective) can be wrong
3) It seemed quite strange to me that a poll that was at >60% in favor of stacking after over a month managed to flip to 49%/51% in just a few days.
4) You're talking about a 2 vote difference out of 249 and claiming moral high ground. I mean, how pedantic can you get?
5) Argue the point. Either the rules support you, or they don't.

1, the point has been argued to death already, go read the other 20 threads on the subject.
2, and people in the minority can be just as wrong
3, demand a recount then
4, a smaller win without even a majority put bush jr into office. A win is a win.
5, see 1

Do we really need to have this debate again? there is no clear RAW that the stacking side will accept. And if the stacking side had a point the result wouldn't have been that close. So play it like you want til we see a FAQ. I say the stacking side is clearly wrong as they could never quote a rule in the psychic rules section to prove their point and spend the entire debate saying how the rules for psychic powers don't apply. I mean really it says 5 times that different powers are cumulative without ever hinting at the same power is cumulative. And even now, the entire front page, does anyone from the stacking side make a point as to why their right? Nope, the best they can do is say the non stacking side is wrong, arguing semantics instead of making a point. Where are your rules to support your opinion? how pedantic can you get, criticizing others for what you fail to do.

sirlynchmob wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Successfully casting quicken allows you to run an additional +3 inches. Does this stack with itself upon successful castings from separate psykers in the same unit?

short answer: No, only different powers stack.

Long answer look for the enfeeble thread.

No such rule as the bolded actually exists in the rulebook. As per the tenets of the forum please back up your assertion with a rulebook page and paragraph, or retract it.

Yep, called it.

Your side lost the vote, just accept it and the majority of the people on dakka read it that way. so maybe during the next poll you should make a better case.

So you refuse to follow the tenets of the forum you are posting in?

Cite your source for the underlined "rule" you are quoting, or retract it. Now.

I wondered how long it would be before this would come up again
Agreed with many posters above. There is no RAW to support it not stacking, so it stacks, as you have permission to cast the power and resolve it.
sirlynchmob: As others have said, back up your assertion with a rules quote or retract it as per the tenets.

Tactical_Genius wrote:
I wondered how long it would be before this would come up again
Agreed with many posters above. There is no RAW to support it not stacking, so it stacks, as you have permission to cast the power and resolve it.
sirlynchmob: As others have said, back up your assertion with a rules quote or retract it as per the tenets.

says the one who makes a "well the rules don't say I can't" argument with no rules quotes.

pg 66-69 if different powers have permission to stack, and only different powers have permission, then saying the same power is cumulative is wrong.

As RAW is "unclear"? and 51% of dakkians agree they don't stack. at a minimum RAI only different powers stack. Even though there are 5 rules between 66-69 that clearly say different powers stack with no allowance for all powers to stack, or the same power to stack.

And again we see the "stacking" side failing to make any RAW arguments as to why they stack. If it was so clear that they do, then why can't anyone show where they do?

Sirlynchmob, I have to agree with the Quark and nosferatu1001. You do have to back up your arguments with actual rules, not poll results.

Please stop arguing simply because others disagree with how you think the game should be played.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:
I wondered how long it would be before this would come up again
Agreed with many posters above. There is no RAW to support it not stacking, so it stacks, as you have permission to cast the power and resolve it.
sirlynchmob: As others have said, back up your assertion with a rules quote or retract it as per the tenets.

says the one who makes a "well the rules don't say I can't" argument with no rules quotes.

pg 66-69 if different powers have permission to stack, and only different powers have permission, then saying the same power is cumulative is wrong.

As RAW is "unclear"? and 51% of dakkians agree they don't stack. at a minimum RAI only different powers stack. Even though there are 5 rules between 66-69 that clearly say different powers stack with no allowance for all powers to stack, or the same power to stack.

And again we see the "stacking" side failing to make any RAW arguments as to why they stack. If it was so clear that they do, then why can't anyone show where they do?

If you looked you would have seen the rules argument in my post.
I have permission to cast the power.
I have permission to apply it's effects.
There is no restriction.

You must provide the restriction. You have failed to do so.

Essentially the RaW is they don't stack because the power has the wording "whilst the power is in effect x happens" multiple manifestations of the power still result in the power being in effect so x happens. Not multiple times so nothing to stack.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:
I wondered how long it would be before this would come up again
Agreed with many posters above. There is no RAW to support it not stacking, so it stacks, as you have permission to cast the power and resolve it.
sirlynchmob: As others have said, back up your assertion with a rules quote or retract it as per the tenets.

says the one who makes a "well the rules don't say I can't" argument with no rules quotes.

pg 66-69 if different powers have permission to stack, and only different powers have permission, then saying the same power is cumulative is wrong.

As RAW is "unclear"? and 51% of dakkians agree they don't stack. at a minimum RAI only different powers stack. Even though there are 5 rules between 66-69 that clearly say different powers stack with no allowance for all powers to stack, or the same power to stack.

And again we see the "stacking" side failing to make any RAW arguments as to why they stack. If it was so clear that they do, then why can't anyone show where they do?

And how many people thought FNP stopped ID? Your poll means nothing. and 51% of Dakkians do not agree. Only those who felt compelled to answer that poll agree. Thousands of other Dakkians didnt care one way or another.

Argue the points and put your poll away.

No need to get into this again, we can argue about it for an additional 30 pages and not get anywhere

OP, your best bet is to dicuss with you group or TO, evently stricly RAW theres 3 o 4 theories. So yeah.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:
I wondered how long it would be before this would come up again
Agreed with many posters above. There is no RAW to support it not stacking, so it stacks, as you have permission to cast the power and resolve it.
sirlynchmob: As others have said, back up your assertion with a rules quote or retract it as per the tenets.

says the one who makes a "well the rules don't say I can't" argument with no rules quotes.

pg 66-69 if different powers have permission to stack, and only different powers have permission, then saying the same power is cumulative is wrong.

As RAW is "unclear"? and 51% of dakkians agree they don't stack. at a minimum RAI only different powers stack. Even though there are 5 rules between 66-69 that clearly say different powers stack with no allowance for all powers to stack, or the same power to stack.

And again we see the "stacking" side failing to make any RAW arguments as to why they stack. If it was so clear that they do, then why can't anyone show where they do?

Nope, the rules permission was given, and you cannot find the rules quote you stated in your first post. Therefore I assume you are making a "HIWPI" argument, and not one based on rules

As so please mark your argument as such, so people dont mistake it for an argument based on the rules of wh40k.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Essentially the RaW is they don't stack because the power has the wording "whilst the power is in effect x happens" multiple manifestations of the power still result in the power being in effect so x happens. Not multiple times so nothing to stack.

This is the reason why Quicken/Enfeeble may or may not stack, depending on whether "the power" refers to that iteration of Quicken/Enfeeble or the power as a whole, and we have no way of knowing which it means until an FAQ is released to clarify it.