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After browsing this forum, and reading my Space Marine codex, a thought occurred to me;

As stated on page 110 of the BRB, 'If you're playing a game of 2000 points or more, you can take an additional primary detachment'
and ' As stated earlier, taking an extra primary detachment allows you to take an additional allied detachment(which must be from the same codex as your other allied detachment)'
It also states farther down on the same page 'All primary detachments must be taken from the same codex'

That got me thinking, due to the fact that in the Space Marine Codex on page 77, it says 'When choosing a Space Marines detachment, whether primary or allied, choose one of the Chapters listed in this section. Mark the chapter you choose for each detachment on your roster sheet. All models benefit from the appropriate Chapter Tactics special rule.'
I can't forget to mention this also from page 77, 'A Space Marine detachment chosen from this codex that has one set of Chapter Tactics may ally with another Space Marine detachment chosen from this codex that has a differnt set of Chapter Tactics'

This here to me appears as if in a game you may have four different detachments(and as such four different instances of Chapter Tactics) in your army.
As such I would think that if I wanted I could run a Primary detachment of Imperial Fists, with an other primary detachment of Black Templar, and then an allied detachment of Ultramarines along with an other allied detachment of White Scars.

So I bring it to you Dakka, before I even attempt to write a list with this in mind, is my take on this legitimate? Can I field four different Chapter Tactics in a game of 2000 or more points?

No because in the Allies paragraph on pg 77 it says when you pick a SM chapter for primary and ally they are to be treated as two different codexes, and as in the core book on 110 both of your primary detachments must be from the same codex, same goes for ally detachments.

This means if using double FOC and SM allied with other SM it will look like this for detachments

Primary Detachment 1 - IF tactics
Primary Detachment 2 - IF tactics
Ally Detachment 1 - RG Tactics
Ally Detachment 2 - RG Tactics

 CrashCanuck wrote:
No because in the Allies paragraph on pg 77 it says when you pick a SM chapter for primary and ally they are to be treated as two different codexes, and as in the core book on 110 both of your primary detachments must be from the same codex, same goes for ally detachments.

This means if using double FOC and SM allied with other SM it will look like this for detachments

Primary Detachment 1 - IF tactics
Primary Detachment 2 - IF tactics
Ally Detachment 1 - RG Tactics
Ally Detachment 2 - RG Tactics

this isn't true.

P77 (SM codex) does not say that the detachments count as different codex's.

it says you must mark that they are different detachments and use different tactics, it does not say that they are counted as different codex's.

as such in a game of 2000points you can take a primary detachment of Imperial Fists, with a secondary detachment of White Scars, a second Primary detachment of Ultramarines with a secondary detachment of Raven Guard, provided all detachments conform to the normal rules for primary and secondary detachments and that they are clearly marked on your army list.

you also have to go through your army prior to the game and inform then which squad is part of which detachment and what rules they pick up as a result, you also have to choose the warlord from one of the primary detachments and utilise the rules therein.

while this is completely legal you need to ensure your opponent is informed before the game begins to follow the force composition rules that are layed out both within the BRB (p110) and the SM P77 rules.

pg 77, Allies paragraph, 2nd sentence "For the purposes of the Allies rules, these detachments are treated as if they were chosen from two different codexes and are treated as Battle Brothers."

apologies, missed that part

Pretty sure that each of your primary detachments must be the same army as one another (including Chapter Tactics). Each of your allied detachments must also be the same army as one another (including Chapter Tactics).

Wait though:

The Allies rules only say that your ALLIED detachments must be from the same codex, yes? And the SM allies rule says that only ALLIED detachments count as being from different books, not primary detachments. So with SM, you could have two different CT on both Primaries, with the same allied CT for both allied, resulting in 3 CT over four detachments.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Wait though:

The Allies rules only say that your ALLIED detachments must be from the same codex, yes? And the SM allies rule says that only ALLIED detachments count as being from different books, not primary detachments. So with SM, you could have two different CT on both Primaries, with the same allied CT for both allied, resulting in 3 CT over four detachments.

"All of the units in your primary detachment must be chosen from the same codex. " (109)

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Wait though:

The Allies rules only say that your ALLIED detachments must be from the same codex, yes? And the SM allies rule says that only ALLIED detachments count as being from different books, not primary detachments. So with SM, you could have two different CT on both Primaries, with the same allied CT for both allied, resulting in 3 CT over four detachments.

"All of the units in your primary detachment must be chosen from the same codex. " (109)

Darn.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Wait though:

The Allies rules only say that your ALLIED detachments must be from the same codex, yes? And the SM allies rule says that only ALLIED detachments count as being from different books, not primary detachments. So with SM, you could have two different CT on both Primaries, with the same allied CT for both allied, resulting in 3 CT over four detachments.

"All of the units in your primary detachment must be chosen from the same codex. " (109)

The rule only states they are treated as two different codexes for the purposes of the Allies rules. Unless I'm missing somthing, two primary detachments have nothing to do with the Allies rules, so they're technically still from the same codex even if they have different Chapter Tactics.

Simply playing the devil's advocate here; I don't play SM, and HIWPI would be the same CT for both primary detachments.

"When choosing a Space Marines detachment, whether primary or allied, choose one of the Chapters listed in this section. Mark the Chapter you choose for each detachment on your roster sheet. "

Just to add to the confusion...
As mentioned before, only when dealing with allies are different chapter tactics considered a seperate codex.

So I'd have to agree with the "3 chapters" option.
One chapter per primary detachment, with the allied detachments coming from the same chapter.

Really needed a vote on this. Then I. Looked at the results, lol some peeps said yes.

Crash cannuk nailed it.

 grendel083 wrote:

As mentioned before, only when dealing with allies are different chapter tactics considered a seperate codex.

An argument can be made that the allies statment could mean that each chapter tactic is its own codex whenever you include an allied detachment. So theoretically it could break down like this

1 Primary Detachment (1 chapter tactics)
1 Primary Detachment + 1 Allied Detachment (2 chapter tactics, one for the primary detachments and 1 for the allied detachments)
2 Primary Detachments (2 chapter tactics, one for each primary detachment)
2 Primary Detachments +1 Allied Detachment (2 chapter tactics, one for the primary detachments and 1 for the allied detachments)
2 Primary Detachments +2 Allied Detachments (2 chapter tactics, one for the primary detachments and 1 for the allied detachments)

Nvm, read too quickly, ignore this message

I can just see it now!! 4 chapter tactics, all the army painted the same, my brain melting trying to keep track of which ones have which tactics. =D