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What do you think? Could this list be competitiv? I think it could be fun...

Ghost Tiger Imperial Guard:

CCS
Commander with dual plasma pistols
Astropath
Chimera
4X plasma guns


Guardsman Marbo

Vet Squad
3x plasma guns
Chimera
Sgt with plasma pistol

Vet squad
3x plasma gun
Chimera

Vet squad
3x meltgun
(these to go in a Vendetta)

Vendetta

Vendetta

Vendetta

LRBT

LRBT


Tau Allies (Farsight enclave)

Commander
TL Plasma Rifle

Crisis Team
2x Crisis suit
Both with TL Plasma Rifle
Both with Two Shield drones

Riptide
Ion Accelerator
TL Plasma rifle

Thoughts?

No one?

I'm personally not at all a fan of lrbt. Swap them out for a more effective variant. Maybe drop some of this plasma pistols to get sponsons for them too.

Also having 2 plasma guns on each of the crisis suits and commander is better than twinlinked.

Sounds interesting... Tell me, what army will you be fighting with this list? One in particular, or many different? It would be FANTASTIC against armies with little air support, such as Orks, or Tyranids.
Personally, I think the Leman Russ Battle Tank variant is the most effective, although I have little experience in that field.

Well I am aiming to develop a list that will be TAC, but definitely want to be able for the OTHER kind of army (Necrons, Tau etc - shooty and flyery). But I feel okay about that with 3 flyers (coming in on a 2+ with the astropath) and possibly giving the Riptide interceptor...

I'm gong with Tau as allies because it works with my fluff, and I like the idea of having some giant robot suits with a variant of my Tiger scheme visually. But I think it could be quite cometitive too. Seems like a lot of fire power.

The guard players that I have seen comment on LR often seem to prefer the Battle Tank, and generally feel that sponsons are a points sink. And other versions and sponsons obv up the points where I am trying to save to keep room for my robot super suits (I'd lvoe a 1750pt version of this army!)

For a 1750 point version of this army do people think: drop a vendetta. Or drop a LRBT?

my vote would be a LRBT be dropped, then you have a dropship + 2 gunships.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but don't you need a minimum 3-suit squad for the minimum one troop Crisis team?

Bugger. I think you might be right, IHateNids.

How would the Narkos dynastyy feel about facing roughly this list?

Hey khol! Time for me to give you some advice haha

A few little tweaks can be made I think. Like suggested earlier you need to make your twin linked plasmas on your suits 2 separates. Much better having 4 shots than 2 twin linked. Also I would drop the shield drones on your suits as they will have a smaller footprint for jsj so will be more effective, therefore staying out of enemy Los thus removing the need for shield drones. If your having ion on your riptide then I would stress the need for ewo on it. For 5pts you get an intercepting ap2 pie plate against deepstrikers and pods which is insane.
By the looks of things you don't have any light vehicle weaponry for the early turns 1-2 until your vendettas arrive. I know you have meltas but you want to be using them against juicy av 13-14 targets not rhinos and the like. I would suggest changing one of you lrbt to a different variant to cover this. Maybe the 4 shot auto cannon one. But then again you could combat this by putting multi laser turrets on all you chimeras then you would have 9 str 6 shots every turn for light vehicle popping. It's a good list but it's hard one to make tweaks to without them being drastic if you know what I mean lol.

Hey Spanking Ape. Thanks for that! Useful.

I'm not across the Tau stuff yet. Just know I want a bunch of suits running with my humans and its as much for the visual and fun bit of it, so appreciate the help making this make more sense.

In terms of the Vendettas, yes, I won't have them turn one, but with the Astropath, each of them is in on a 2+roll in turn two. I do worry about it a bit though just as a balance thing. Is it a killy enough list? I'm worried it might not be due to balances I've made in order to accomodate the Tau (super killy though the Riptide is...)

Anyway. List number two coming up...

I think its a very solid list.

Depending on how you utilise the Enclaves detachment, you could be looking at a hammer and anvil Mont'ka tactic. If you feel ballsy enough to deep strike both the Crisis + Commander & the Tide, you should be able to easily kill the harder units of your opponent, and make the softer ones run towards your weaker (but still very dangerous) Guard guns. Also removes fire from the Riptide for a turn

If you want a gunline, push forward with all of it, using JSJ to hop in and out of sight behind the Tanks. The Tide will attract a helluvah lot of fire this way, so you may want to claim first turn for a 3++

other than that, I would only say drop the Sgt's Plasma + the shield drones to afford the 3rd TL Plasma Suit. Points allowing, buy shield generators for the suits themselves if you want the 4++s that badly, but I would make it a pair of guns rather than a TL gun first.

As for how I feel seeing it across the board? I may wish I had more scarabs XD

The only problem with that is, your vendetta is your only AA defence so really you want it coming on the turn after your enemies flyers come on so it can shoot them down, not the other way round so there flyers are wreaking havoc on you. I know what you mean though. I think your list is shooty enough, you have enough meltas and ap3 templates to cover yourself, plus enough plasma to terrorize paladin lists and the like so I think you'll be ok.

Another go. This is now 1750pts:

CCS
Comander with two plasma pistols
Astropath
4X Plasmagun vets
Chimera (multilaser/heavy bolter)


Guardsman Marbo


Vet Squad
Seargent with plasma pistol and CC weapon
3X Plasmagun vets
Chimera (multilaser/heavy bolter)

Vet Squad
Seargent with plasma pistol and CC weapon
3X Plasmagun vets
Chimera (multilaser/heavy bolter)

Vet Squad
Seargent with las pistol and CC weapon
3X Meltagun vets
(these to go in a Vendetta)


Vendetta

Vendetta

Vendetta


Leman Russ Vanilla Tank (no sponsons)
(its just not REALLY playing Imperial Guard without a battle tank - though I'm tempted to swap it for a Manticore, since its job is all about creating round one problems / perceived problems for the opponent)


Commander
Crisis Suit
2X plasma rifles


XV8 Crisis team
3X Shas'ui
Each with two plasma rifles
Each with advanced tagetting system


XV104 Riptide
Ion Accelerator
TL Plasma Rifle
Early Warning Override

Your Farsight Enclave Detatchment is illegal. You need a three strong unit of suits, drones do not count. Also, drop the Shield drones, you are better off fielding Gun Drones. Also, dual weapon loadouts are more cost effective on Suits, so dual Plasma or even Dual Melta in this case.

Also, consider taking the Earth Caste Pilot Array for your Riptides, it is truly outstaning and amazing on a Velocity Tracker Riptide.

if you are willing to levvy back to 1850, take an ordnance battery of 2 Basilisks. AP3 fun XD

could it be fun

Maybe for you. Others might find spamming one of the most broken fliers in the game, then allying Tau for *the* most broken model in the game, slightly less enjoyable to play against.

I don't really understand the aversion that some people have to taking several of units that seem both good and cheap points wise. I want to put together a Rebel Alliance army, cause I grew up on Star Wars, so human with some "good" alien allies. thought that would be fun. Within the confines of that, I want an army that can win games. I don't think that is "broken" or "spam" or whatever.

If I did a chaos army, I'd want to ally CSM and Chaos Daemons. I'd try to build a list with Fateweaver and Helldrakes, because they are the coolest looking, most bad ass models. I don't even know if that is possible, but i'd love to paint and build Helldrakes and they look powerful to play.

The list I'm looking at here is built around as much plasma as possible, because I want to try to paint OSL. But you aren't giving me a hard time about "spamming" plasma. Because that's not "broken"?

Plasma Spam is universally accepted, so no-one bats an eye.

You bring 3 of the most cost effective Flyers in the game at Anti Tank and Anti Flyer, and everyone looses their minds.

I've got three Night Scythes and a Doom Scythe in my Necron list.

I imagine that confirms that I am everything that is wrong with this game.

:-)

not in my book

I use 2 Scythes in almost every single one of my lists

My mate uses 2 Drakes.

another mate runs the castle-Tau list, throwing 78 shots out to the halfway point of the table from 2 units alone

We have a guy doing the Serpent Spam list. (In his defence, he has been doing that for a long time before it was viable)


yeah, lots of "netlists" at my FLGS, not a lot of complaining will be heard from us lot XD

That Tau list sounds vicious! I haven't played Tau in a full size game yet...

Its hilarious, really.

Unfortunately, he doesn't yet have enough suits to keep people from overwhelming him through a concentrated effort.

I am sometimes able to drown him in bodies, by dropping 2 guys in front of him, which gives time for the rest to move into range.

But yeah, anything that stays dead after dying is pretty much toast

Staying dead after dying is so... bio.

Well I'll be using sisters immolator spam, is that broken? Just because people use more than one unit of a powerful unit people automatically start hating! When it comes to competitive lists people only use the strongest units and they use as many of each as possible to make their lists the strongest. People spam all sorts, hell drakes, vendettas, nightscythe, annihilation barges, space marine bikes, drop pods,wave serpents, daemon princes. I could go on all night. Just because someone is using more than one unit of a strong model and calling them broken because of it is ridiculous. Because I use tau quite a lot I never have problems with flyers like the 'broken' vendetta, my missle sides almost always intercept them to death. Does that make them broken? No because they are always weak to something, my nearly 300pt unit of missle sides may own flyers and transports/hordes but if someone drops next to them wearing power armour or they get stuck in cc it's game over.


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Btw khol list is looking sweet now

Cheers, SA. Getting there with it!

Also khol I would keep the Russ just for the av14 threat. It's makes people more edgy than it should so they will be stuck between firing their big guns at that or your riptide as both throw out an ap3 ordnance blast every turn. It's worth it just to see your opponent squirm and it's a bitch to remove.