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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 20:52:03
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hi, new to forums and to Warhammer 40k. Going with Necrons as my main army.
As of right now I have
32 Warriors
5 Immortals (tesla)
2 Necron Overlords (phase shift,mind scarabs, sempiternal weave, res orb, phaeron - I still need to understand relentless,tachyon arrow, tesseract labrynth)
1 Trazyn the Infinite
2 Cryteks
3 Wraiths
8 Scarabs
1 Doomsday Ark/Ghost Ark
1 Annilation Barge/Catacomb Barge
1 Triarch Stalker
Any ideas on what I should get to make this better?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 21:41:17
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Well. General consensus SEEMS to be: Wraiths run best in packs of six (especially killy with a destroyer lord). Warriors and immortals are slow, but the Necrons have a great dedicated flyer, the Night Scythe, which has Tesla Destructors. These are the same gun that is on the Annihilation Barge and I can testify that it's a great gun. Worth having a few of those in your list.
Lots of people like Deathmarks.
A lot of Necron players don't rate the Doom Scythe. I love mine. The Monolith is iconic. Crypteks have lots of cool rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 21:44:14
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Can a unit who does not say deep strike in special rule, deep strike? I ask because some space marines did deep strike and i don't think they could have.
Also can unites inside the ghost ark or night scythe fire their weapons?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 21:56:41
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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hunter2379 wrote:Can a unit who does not say deep strike in special rule, deep strike?
Yes and no. certain unit types give the deep strike ability ,such as jump .A jump model like a assault marine or gargoyle may or maynot say it has the deep strike rule in the unit entry but will say it has jump. Similarity a beast unit may or may not say it has fleet but beast gives them that ability.
Also certain wargear may allow deep striking like terminator armour or a veil of darkness .If there is nothing on the model which allows it to deep strike then no it cant.
hunter2379 wrote:
Also can unites inside the ghost ark or night scythe fire their weapons?
Ghost ark yes night scythe no.A ghost ark is open top and has as many firing points as you need .A night scythe has 0 firing points so you cant draw LOS to shoot. Look up the firing points rules if you wanna look it up
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 22:00:28
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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So can wraiths, a jump infantry, deep strike?
And can a Triarch Stalker fire its gun if it moved 6"? If i remember correctly units cant fire heavy weapons if they moved. is this correct? Automatically Appended Next Post: Also how does relelntless work with warriors? Is it they can use rapid fire in 24"? Or can assault even after using rapid fire?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 22:17:41
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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As far as list help you cant go wrong with
10 warriors in a ghost ark
20 warriors next to the ghost ark+ lord ( can use ghost ark to heal the dead)
Stalker ( use to twin link the 20 warriors)
Annihilation barge ( AA and AT)
3 wraiths ( Deep strike to prey on weak backfield or keep them back as a counter assault)
8 Scarabs ( fast screen or assault things to tie them down)
5 immortals+ tek + lord (jump around and harass or assault back field)
IMO lords should have Weave .warsythe,mindshackle,rez orb
shifter if you can find the points or you know you will see alot of AP2
Pharoen is garage as it only lets you assault with warriors after they shoot
Tachyon arrow is WAAAAAY overpriced for one shot
tesseract is ok for trying to poof big mean things with crazy saves
99% of the time warsythes are the best option
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 22:27:29
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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hunter2379 wrote:So can wraiths, a jump infantry, deep strike?
And can a Triarch Stalker fire its gun if it moved 6"? If i remember correctly units cant fire heavy weapons if they moved. is this correct?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also how does relelntless work with warriors? Is it they can use rapid fire in 24"? Or can assault even after using rapid fire?
Jump infantry can deep strike unless another rule specifically prevents it,
Triarch stalker is a Walker, so can fire cane fire all it's guns after moving.
Rapid Fire rule remains the same, but they can charge after firing.
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CLACKAVOID (n.) Technical BBC term for a page of dialogue from Blake's Seven.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 22:28:59
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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hunter2379 wrote:So can wraiths, a jump infantry, deep strike?
And can a Triarch Stalker fire its gun if it moved 6"? If i remember correctly units cant fire heavy weapons if they moved. is this correct?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also how does relelntless work with warriors? Is it they can use rapid fire in 24"? Or can assault even after using rapid fire?[/quote
Yes they can,
Vehicles have rentless so it doesnt matter if it moved
Basically they can charge after shooting
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 22:34:59
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hmmm...ok I'm learning. Thank you all!!!! This seems like its going to be a long term hobby
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 23:30:43
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Very, but well worth it
Been playing for years but still need to ask rules questions all the time!
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CLACKAVOID (n.) Technical BBC term for a page of dialogue from Blake's Seven.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 05:46:52
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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So I played a game today. Did deep strike with cryptek veil of darkness and wraiths who were in reserves.
Question: Deep strike veil, land on enemies, rolled and put them back in reserves. When they come out of reserves can I then use veil of darkness again?
Q2: When shooting tank with with say 10 weapons, do I roll 1 d6 +strength weapon for each hit or just once to see if they all hit?
Q3: Can I have Cryptek + Overlord + Warriors in 1 Squad?
Q4: I know max HQ is 2 so would a Cryptek in it's own Squad count as 1 HQ?
Q5: Having trouble understanding Ever-Living vs Reanimation Protocol, can someone explain.
Also got 3 more wraiths so I'm at 6 and I picked up some triarch praetorians/lytch guards...are praetorians better, because thats what I was going to go for since they have deep strike.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 16:09:53
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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q1 yes, veil is reusable. you can use it in any movement phase
q2 each hit rolls for armour penetration
q3 yes you can have multiple members of a royal court if they are with the overlord
q4 crypteks are not hq for the purposes of FOC if that is what you mean?
q5 same thing EXCEPT that Ever-Living is for independent characters, who can leave or join units, and therefor get to roll for reanimation even if the rest of the unit they had joined is dead. that's my understanding of it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 16:22:59
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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ok thanks!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 19:00:08
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Off the top of my head I would guess that Preatorians are better, but they kinds fulfill the same role as Wraiths, which are much better.
lychguard look better tho, so I use them, and can deny objectives for ages, which can really frustrate people
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CLACKAVOID (n.) Technical BBC term for a page of dialogue from Blake's Seven.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 01:06:46
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Can I fire transdimensional beamer which is a heavy weapon after deep strike?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 16:20:17
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Screeching Screamer of Tzeentch
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Yes, but -
Deep striking counts as moving. As such, you would only be able to fire snap shots.
At work, so I am not able to site a page number for you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 16:41:29
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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A nice little trick for you while your learning is....
Grab a cryptek and 5 deathmarks and put them in a nightscythe, the deathmarks have a special ability which when they enter the battlefield they can 'mark' one squad or unit which gives them the ability to wound it on a 2+, because the cryptek is with them this applies to him to. So give him the ap1 leadership flamer and go wipe out a squad in one shooting attack
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 20:07:45
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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That cryptek+deathmark thing is interesting.
How do snap shots work btw? 6's to hit?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 21:20:42
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Yeah snap shots are 6's to hit
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 21:45:50
Subject: Re:New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Fresh-Faced New User
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So to make sure I understand. A unit can fire a Heavy weapon after moving but it becomes a snap shot?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 06:42:41
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Yes!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 23:54:01
Subject: New Player - Help with Necron Army Creation
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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As long as its not a blast or template weapon.
Interesting about the deathmarks. Knew that some character traits carry over to a squad when they join, but did not know it worked the other way round too, does that work for other squad specific powers?
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CLACKAVOID (n.) Technical BBC term for a page of dialogue from Blake's Seven.
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