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Pretty bog standard nid list. swarmlord, flyrant, tervigons, gants, doom, trygon and warriors.

Wondering what the best builds of Daemons would be to bring?

Can't help but think that Chaos Daemons would just laugh in the face of Tyranids. One Nurgle plague would be enough to destroy them, one infection carried into the biomass reserves.

No doubt on the tabletop it's the opposite way around and 'Nids own Daemons somehow...

I think the OP means on the tabletop, not in fluff.

I would say that nurgle units should bear the brunt of the 'nid charges, while the khorne units clean up in CC. Slaanesh doesn't really need to be used, as the extra initiative is not needed. Some pink horrors to hold objectives wouldn't go astray too.

bloodletters and daemonettes could do well with ap weapons and volume of attacks respectively. In the right circumstances the daemonettes (or anything slaanesh) could drop a MC if they can get their in sufficient number.

Mobbing the field with your own FMC might also work for getting around those nasty tarpits they can gaunts. Run like the dickens from the doom and hit him from a far if possible, otherwise like anything else kill it in 1 turn.

Soulgrinders would be useful for hitting flyrants and forcing grounding tests. Hopefully so you can tarpit them on the ground.

A screamer star (if you can keep them clear of close combat) could be pretty devastating with all those flickering flame shots.

I would consider taking CSM allies for ML or LC for to hunt those monstrous creatures and the doom, but that is personal preference.

Those are just jumping board ideas. We can tailor it more detail if you can give us a better idea of what you are looking to face.

Well, as far as what I have access to:
20 bloodletters
20 daemonettes
20 plaguebearers
20 pink horrors
3 daemon princes
fateweaver
keeper of secrets
greater unclean one
bloodthirster
10 seekers of slaanesh
herald of tzeentch

The issue with my princes is the swarmlord. He's pretty much one of the few things in game that spits on my greater daemons in CC. I've considered tar pitting him with my screamers. As for the doom, I think I'd assault it with a str 8 tzeentch prince and hope he fails an invul to instant kill it.

He generally brings :
swarmlord
2 tervigon
trygon
devilgants
doom
tyranid prime with warriors
and dakka carnifex's

Nurgle princes laugh at nids, instant death poison attacks that strike first. Khorne heralds with hounds are also dangerous, as they are resistant to the psychic powers, and have volume of attacks and instant death. All slaanesh can threaten the entire army with rending.

Don't try and tarpit swarmy, just keep away from him and bully him around with nettes.

With the models you have I suggest doing a slaanesh flying circus, faweaver, LoS, 3 slaanesh princes, for troops you want a glyph, a unit of 20 nettes, 2 units of 10 horrors, and a unit of 20 plaguebearers. I would personally play less troops with 9 screamers instead, but that was just a list with models you have.

If you want to kill the Swarmlord easily you take:

Fateweaver
Heralds with Divination
Herald with Grimoire
(Hope for Forewarning)
Allied Black Legion CSM Daemon Prince
(Daemon of Tzeentch Spineshiver Blade, Skull of Kern'gar).

So you can have a 2++ with a reroll. And if one does get through you are Eternal Warrior. Smash him back with a Daemon Weapon and see how Swarmlord likes that.

Keeper_of_Secrets wrote:
Well, as far as what I have access to:
20 daemonettes
10 seekers of slaanesh

As a Tyranid player these are the only things that concern me. Don't ever deepstrike either or I will eat them.

Keeper_of_Secrets wrote:
The issue with my princes is the swarmlord. He's pretty much one of the few things in game that spits on my greater daemons in CC. I've considered tar pitting him with my screamers. As for the doom, I think I'd assault it with a str 8 tzeentch prince and hope he fails an invul to instant kill it.

Daemons rely on Invulns...Swarmy makes you reroll passed invulns. So do like every other army and avoid the 24' bubble of swarmlord for a long as possible.

Baleswords

Lots and lots of baleswords

Unless your vs a swarm then just spam flamers of tzeentch and soul grinders with phlegm or khorne kannons if your fighting a swarm that has venomthropes

Relying on psychic powers when Shadows in the Warp is everywhere is not the best plan.

I like lots of daemonettes as they can take down everything with rending attacks.

A unit of grimoired hounds and another unit of hounds and/or seekers for more bodies on the table and a lot of attacks.

Fateweaver and a second prince fly around and buff units as well as shoot things while avoiding shadows. The prince carries the grimoire.

Obviously point level matters, but I usually play 2k points.


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And ignore Swarmy or feed him daemonettes. Don't get in am MC battle with him. Fly around where he can't catch you. Daemonettes don't really care. They're going to die anyway at T3 but you should have a bunch of them to pull him down or hurt him badly.

Avoid anything that involves psychic tests... so Tzeentch is pretty much out. I had to basically give up playing my mono-tzeentch builds against my friends Tyranid armies, Shadow in the Warp basically brings Tzeentch's damage output to zero and causes you to hemorrhage your own models as a result of perils (if you roll like I do anyway).

chaos0xomega wrote:
Avoid anything that involves psychic tests... so Tzeentch is pretty much out. I had to basically give up playing my mono-tzeentch builds against my friends Tyranid armies, Shadow in the Warp basically brings Tzeentch's damage output to zero and causes you to hemorrhage your own models as a result of perils (if you roll like I do anyway).

Generally speaking Slaanesh units are your best bet.

Khorne overkills and our bad saves and FnP cares not.

Nurgle...please...poison and great CC.

Tzeentch...Shadow negates a fair number of things that need to be close up.

Would this be solid against nids?

HQ:
Keeper of secrets, greater,greater

Troops:
20 daemonettes
20 daemonettes
10 plague bearers
10 plague bearers
(could sub out the plaguebearers for 20 bloodletters)

Fast Attack:
10 seekers of slaanesh

Heavy Support:

Daemon Prince, Slaanesh, armor,wings,greater,greater,lesser, mastery 2

Daemon Prince, Slaanesh, armor,wings,greater,greater,lesser,mastery 2

Daemon Prince, Slaanesh, greater,greater,lesser, mastery 3

How many points are we at?

The broad standard I'm looking for is 1850, I can add and remove as necessary. The issue with nids is shadows of the warp and the swarm lord. I run a tzeentch circus with horrors and plague bearers against pretty much every other army.

I think you have a decent build there...I might also play with Skarbrand in lists if you can to rage and furious charge your daemonettes and plaguebearers.

Just as a Caveat, I would like to add that Nids may be getting updated in December, so I would not buy any models until after their release.

As far as Daemons go, My nids tend to win fairly often, but I have not faced the Screamerstar, and my Daemon Opponet mostly plays Slaanesh and Nurgle.

Overall, The things I fear are killy DPs and GDs getting to my Tevigons and Biovores. Biovores are really great at taking out Swathes of Daemon Troops, so getting rid of those early is generally paramount.

Flyrants can also be a pain for Daemons. Putting Shadows where you want, as well as having 12 STR shots, can really give the big Daemons a run, if they don't have proper protection. However, something with a Balesword or anything that causes ID is really troublesome.

Be careful about getting you troops caught up in endless waves of gaunts, as they will wear Daemon troops down eventually, and with Tervigons are likely to replenish a lot more.

If you clean up the big threats first, it should be pretty easy to sweep in and clean up the Tervigons later.

A lot of it also depends on what Powers the Nids roll, so keep that in mind. Iron Arm on a Flyrant is rough.

As others have said nurgle is the best anti-nid option. They make good anti guard and ork as well.

How does slow and purposeful aid against ork and guard? You'd think you would want to be able to sweeping advance. From the way responses have gone, I'd be inclined to agree that slaanesh is probably the best for Tyranids...