High Elves Army list help

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**celeborn**

Hi guys.

So I am looking to put together a High Elf army list for the Lord of the Rings, so I'd just like to get some feedback from you if you can help me. As you'll see I am looking at a pretty large force, but that's because I've got the Mordor army already to fight it, so looking to get some nice big games going. Anyway, here we go;

- Elrond - 170.
- Saruman - 150.
- Elodan and Elrohir - 140.
- Gwaihir - 125.

- High elf warriors (heavy armour, blades) x 12 - 120.
- High elf warriors (heavy armour, spears, shields) x 12 - 132.
- High elf warriors (heavy armour, bows) x 12 - 132.
- High elf warrior (heavy armour, banner) x 2 - 88.
- Knights of Rivendell (shields) x 10- 220.
- Knight of Rivendell (banner) x 1 - 46.
- Knight Captain x 1- 90.
- Great Eagles x 2- 180.

Total = 1593.

Just to make it clear, this is a 'hobbit' army, so this is allowing me to use saruman as a good hero.

Thanks for reading.

**jasper76**

Don't know if they have a Glorfindel model, but he hangs out in Rivendell, he's not scared of wraiths, he's killed at least 1 Balrog by his lonesome, and I think is the most powerful elf left in Middle Earth aside from Galadriel.

**Paradigm**

Looks solid. The 10 knights will look amazing and hit hard, and the 36 elves make a nice solid gun-line or advancing formation. Saruman is pretty good, as is Elrond, and the Twins are great. The eagles and Gwaihir will work well.

I'd certainly consider taking Glorfindel or at least adding him at some point, he's the best straight-up combat character the Elves have, and on a horse with the knights he'd wreck some serious face. If you're looking to free up points, I'd swap out Elrond to make room for him.

**celeborn**

Paradigm wrote:
Looks solid. The 10 knights will look amazing and hit hard, and the 36 elves make a nice solid gun-line or advancing formation. Saruman is pretty good, as is Elrond, and the Twins are great. The eagles and Gwaihir will work well.

I'd certainly consider taking Glorfindel or at least adding him at some point, he's the best straight-up combat character the Elves have, and on a horse with the knights he'd wreck some serious face. If you're looking to free up points, I'd swap out Elrond to make room for him.

Thanks for your thoughts mate

I'll definately consider adding in glorfindel!

**namiel**

That's a good army but not a legal list.

**celeborn**

namiel wrote:
That's a good army but not a legal list.

Really? How so? Have I missed something? Thanks

**Paradigm**

I have a feeling that there are 2 things making this illegal on closer inspection.

Firstly, to include the banners in the army, you'd need to drop 1 model from the Blades and Spears warbands to keep to the 12-model limit.

2 is that, unless Elladan and Elrohir count as separate character as far as warbands are concerned, you're lacking a hero. You have Elrond for one group of warriors, E+E for another (as they have to be taken together, unless that's changed, so can't be in different warbands) and a captain for the Knights and Gwaihir for the Eagles. Saruman is from an allied army (white council) so can't lead a warband. You need one more captain or hero for the third lot of HE warriors.

The easy answer is just to swap out Saruman for another elf hero, or to drop the twins and take 2 separate characters (maybe Glorfindel and Lindor or perhaps Arwen if you're on a budget. Maybe even a captain) so you have enough heroes to go around.

I don't think there's anything else that limits this as an army.

**Ghaz**

I find it's always better to list your Heroes along with their warbands. Thus your army looks like this:

Warband One
- Elrond - 170.
- High elf warriors (heavy armour, blades) x 12 - 120.

Warband Two
- Elodan and Elrohir - 140
- High elf warriors (heavy armour, spears, shields) x 12 - 132.

Warband Three
- High elf warriors (heavy armour, bows) x 12 - 132.

Warband Four
- High elf warrior (heavy armour, banner) x 2 - 88.

Warband Five
- Knight Captain x 1- 90.
- Knights of Rivendell (shields) x 10- 220.
- Knight of Rivendell (banner) x 1 - 46.

Allied Warband One
- Saruman - 150.

Allied Warband Two
- Gwaihir - 125.
- Great Eagles x 2- 180

Per page five of the Free Peoples sourcebook, two characters purchased as a pair they are a part of a single warband with one model being the warband's captain and the other taking the place of one of the followers. So Warband Two has one too many followers unless you place Elladan and Elrohir in Warband Four. The second problem is that you have two warbands without heroes. Since Saruman is not a part of the 'Eregion and Rivendell' army list he can't lead one of their warbands.

**namiel**

the red is what is making this list illegal

Ghaz wrote:
I find it's always better to list your Heroes along with their warbands. Thus your army looks like this:

Warband One
- Elrond - 170.
- High elf warriors (heavy armour, blades) x 12 - 120.

Warband Two
- Elodan and Elrohir - 140 elodan or elrohir is considered the warband leader and the other takes the place of a warrior in the warband thus this warband can only have 11
- High elf warriors (heavy armour, spears, shields) x 12 - 132.

Warband Three Where is the character??????
- High elf warriors (heavy armour, bows) x 12 - 132.

Warband Four Where is the character??????
- High elf warrior (heavy armour, banner) x 2 - 88.

Warband Five
- Knight Captain x 1- 90.
- Knights of Rivendell (shields) x 10- 220.
- Knight of Rivendell (banner) x 1 - 46.

Allied Warband One
- Saruman - 150.

Allied Warband Two
- Gwaihir - 125.
- Great Eagles x 2- 180

Per page five of the Free Peoples sourcebook, two characters purchased as a pair they are a part of a single warband with one model being the warband's captain and the other taking the place of one of the followers. So Warband Two has one too many followers unless you place Elladan and Elrohir in Warband Four. The second problem is that you have two warbands without heroes. Since Saruman is not a part of the 'Eregion and Rivendell' army list he can't lead one of their warbands.

**Captain Galenus**

I wouldn't mind playing against that list even though it is illegal, it would look awesome! I'm sure friendly gamers wouldn't really mind for a game that scale. Depends who you play really...

Also, if you can (although it is against fluff) I would put Gilgalad with a shield somewhere, and possibly upgrade some high elf warriors to King's guard. Can add a bit of extra oomph.

What kind of tactics would you use, bearing in mind you are likely to be up against a lot more models in a Mordor list.

**Paradigm**

I'll second Gil-Galad too, with such a high fight value he wins pretty much any fight so long as he rolls at least one 6. He is also very tough for an elf. I recall a Last Alliance-themed game where it came down to Gil-Galad and Elendil surrounded by around 40 orcs with various upgrades and characters, and they made a damn good fight of it.

Tactically I imagine the best thing for this list would be some kind of bowline setup. To represent it graphically, something like this: (S=swordsmen, s= spearmen, B= bowman )

S--S--S--S--
s--s---s--s
--B---B---B

So basically, a setup where the swordsmen/spears use their control zones to protect the archers, who can still shoot through the gap. Apologies for the bad diagram.

The knights should be the hammer to the battle line's anvil, moving in to smash into the flank of whatever hits your line. Keep them safe from archers if possible, as each kill represents a lot of points you're not getting a return on.

Use the Eagles to attack war machines and archers in the enemy back field.

**celeborn**

Captain Galenus wrote:I wouldn't mind playing against that list even though it is illegal, it would look awesome! I'm sure friendly gamers wouldn't really mind for a game that scale. Depends who you play really...

Also, if you can (although it is against fluff) I would put Gilgalad with a shield somewhere, and possibly upgrade some high elf warriors to King's guard. Can add a bit of extra oomph.

What kind of tactics would you use, bearing in mind you are likely to be up against a lot more models in a Mordor list.

Thanks for the feedback. I definitely considered Gil Galad but I think that I want to get as many troops on the ground as possible. Still, I could possibly rework the list to fit him in.

Also, I should have mentioned this earlier, but this list is based on Legions of Middle Earth rather than the newer warbands system, so I think with that respect it's actually a legal list. Thanks for the advice however.

Paradigm wrote:I'll second Gil-Galad too, with such a high fight value he wins pretty much any fight so long as he rolls at least one 6. He is also very tough for an elf. I recall a Last Alliance-themed game where it came down to Gil-Galad and Elendil surrounded by around 40 orcs with various upgrades and characters, and they made a damn good fight of it.

Tactically I imagine the best thing for this list would be some kind of bowline setup. To represent it graphically, something like this: (S=swordsmen, s= spearmen, B= bowman )

S--S--S--S--
s--s---s--s
--B---B---B

So basically, a setup where the swordsmen/spears use their control zones to protect the archers, who can still shoot through the gap. Apologies for the bad diagram.

The knights should be the hammer to the battle line's anvil, moving in to smash into the flank of whatever hits your line. Keep them safe from archers if possible, as each kill represents a lot of points you're not getting a return on.

Use the Eagles to attack war machines and archers in the enemy back field.

Thanks. That was essentially the battle plan that I have for this army.