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Alrighty then.
So, I'm planning to build up my pIrusk fluff-based army, armed with a Juggernaut, Destroyer, Torch, Man-O'-War Shocktroopers, Winter Guard Rifles (Oh yes, I very much did *finger snap*), and an acute awareness that this list is not very fluffy.

Hoping for suggestions :3

- Fner

Well, Torch isn't exactly fluffy in this case, he's Strakhovs personal/custom jack, and on top of that 3 warjacks in a Khador list (aside from Karchev) is not really viable, nor am I certain it's really fluffy (contrary to popular belief Khador is the infantry faction, not the jack faction).

Yesh, I know that it's not fluffy at the moment. I detailed as such in my first post :3
Which is why I'm issuing a plea for help.
I just pulled along Torch for the helluvit.

But, you say you *want* a fluffy army in your thread title and in the first few words of your post???

I don't quite understand...
What I MEAN is that I want to alter/build on my current force, and cannot define 'Irusk Fluff' for the life of me.
So, really, I just want to define what Irusk's signature units are.
If you could so very kindly do so, I would be very much thankful.

Well, have you looked at his tier list??

"non-character warjacks, Behemoth, Assault Kommandos,
Battle Mechaniks, Iron Fang units, Man-O-War units, War Dog,
Iron Fang solos, Man-O-War solos"

of the non-character jacks, Devestators and Spriggans are his thing, Irong Fangs suit him best, and Man-O-Wars are 'meh'. Assault Kommandos don't really fit him fluff-wise, though their not unfluffy.

Irusk is the head honcho it seems, at least in terms of active deployment. He has a lot of pull. Read about the siege of Northgate, or the attack on Point Bourne. He had overall command of both of these assaults, and you see basically every troop type that khador has available present at these battles. So really, anything is fluffy, but I'd say particularly something along the lines of Men-O-War, Iron Fangs, maybe some widowmakers and some winterguard/Assault Kommandos. The Men-O-War and Iron Fangs can represent the (from memory) 111th Invincible regiment or something, they are the best assault troops, and saw action at Northguard under Irusk. Then there are the 44th Border Legion (again, from memory, my numbers/unit names might be a bit off) who back up the 111th, which includes winterguard, iron fangs, and they use quite a few destroyers for warjacks. If my tablet wasn't on charge in the other room I'd be able to check the numbers properly, sorry.

I see now...
So basically heavy armour? And when I say heavy armour I mean heavier-than-even-Khador-average armour?
I'm feeling I should be building on tanky stuff, basically...

The unbreakable 111th is comprised mostly of winter guard, entirely if my memory serves. I think Irusk fluff has him focused on standard issue troops complimented by specialist squads and heavy infantry. Jacks aren't really a big focus which is obvious from his abilities that buff and support infantry. IFP, MoW, winter guard stand out as units. Widow makers always seem present in his fluff as well. You don't see doom reavers, greylords, and kayazy units at all in the stories I have read. I think the non focus on war jacks is clearly apparent by him not having a character warjack where less iconic casters do.


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Keep in mind that those major battles were caught with several war casters involved, not just Irusk. I believe sorscha, butcher, karchev, and strakhov were all present at one or the other so you are going to see a mix troops. Karchev seems to fight side by side with Irusk frequently so it makes sense to assume that he would manage the majority of the war jacks while Irusk focuses on the infantry.

Fner wrote:I don't quite understand...
What I MEAN is that I want to alter/build on my current force, and cannot define 'Irusk Fluff' for the life of me.
So, really, I just want to define what Irusk's signature units are.
If you could so very kindly do so, I would be very much thankful.

Read it then. irusk likes troops. Since he is one of the four top commanders, 'signature units' comprises everything. This is not 40k. 'Everything' is fluffy. There is no 'line' defining what is an appropriate army composition, and what isn't. It boils down to 'warcaster turns up, demands troops.... And gets them.' Everyone else gets shuffled around, warcasters are the priority, and whet they want, they get.

Fner wrote:I see now...
So basically heavy armour? And when I say heavy armour I mean heavier-than-even-Khador-average armour?
I'm feeling I should be building on tanky stuff, basically...

No, not really. Heavy armour is rare. See below.

The 4th assault legion is the assault force most associated with irusk, bring personally led by him during the invasion of Llael.

Aside from its leaders, it comprises:
7,500 iron fangs
2,150 winter guard
900 men o war
775 assault kommandos
650 uhlans
250 men o war drakhuns
80 heavy warjacks.

So basically, irusk turns up, demands troops for a mission. It's pretty much a blank slate for what he gets in terms if 'fluffy'.

I am a bit of a noob, I have recently transferred from 40k, please don't expect the most well thought out speculations on this game. But is there any way I can add to my current force to synergise with it? Or is it just a case of anything works?

 Fner wrote:
I am a bit of a noob, I have recently transferred from 40k, please don't expect the most well thought out speculations on this game. But is there any way I can add to my current force to synergise with it? Or is it just a case of anything works?

Heh, no worries there bud, we're here to help!

'Everything can be built into an effective, game winning strategy'.

But not everything works with everything, and performs admirably against all enemies. It's not a fame of two sixes being equal to three fours.

Synergy is key. Some things work great with each other. Sone things don't. Irusk with lots of jacks is one of these things that does not work. He doesn't have the focus, the spells, or the feat to effectively run a large battlegroup, and khador as a whole does not have the support pieces to allow it either. What irusk does is run one jack brilliantly, thanks to his superiority spell. Beyond that, he's all about the troops. His feat buffs troops. His spells buff troops.

As to what you take, that's up to you. Khador doesn't really have bad troops. Some, like men o war, are situational, but when it comes to iron fangs, winter guard, kayazy, the great bears, doom reavers or even assault kommandos, irusk has a place for them and makes them shine.

What do you have so far, if you don't mind me asking? Probably a better starting point on giving advice.

Deadnight wrote:

 Fner wrote:
I am a bit of a noob, I have recently transferred from 40k, please don't expect the most well thought out speculations on this game. But is there any way I can add to my current force to synergise with it? Or is it just a case of anything works?

Heh, no worries there bud, we're here to help!

'Everything can be built into an effective, game winning strategy'.

But not everything works with everything, and performs admirably against all enemies. It's not a fame of two sixes being equal to three fours.

Synergy is key. Some things work great with each other. Sone things don't. Irusk with lots of jacks is one of these things that does not work. He doesn't have the focus, the spells, or the feat to effectively run a large battlegroup, and khador as a whole does not have the support pieces to allow it either. What irusk does is run one jack brilliantly, thanks to his superiority spell. Beyond that, he's all about the troops. His feat buffs troops. His spells buff troops.

As to what you take, that's up to you. Khador doesn't really have bad troops. Some, like men o war, are situational, but when it comes to iron fangs, winter guard, kayazy, the great bears, doom reavers or even assault kommandos, irusk has a place for them and makes them shine.

What do you have so far, if you don't mind me asking? Probably a better starting point on giving advice.

Er...
I've so far been going for a list that contains models I like the look of, and I've detailed my current force in the first post.
If there was anything you could suggest to build on it, I would be grateful.

 Fner wrote:

Er...
I've so far been going for a list that contains models I like the look of, and I've detailed my current force in the first post.
If there was anything you could suggest to build on it, I would be grateful.

heh, you're not getting it. And i'm saying that in a nice way; im not trying to be cheeky or demeaning.

"what i suggest" is basically everything that Khador can take!

i need to reemphasise this. this is not 40k. [u]You're used to a game where, when you want to play Space Wolves, for example, there are about half a dozen viable builds. 90% of the advice will list "the best things" and so, "the space wolves army list" is born. this is not the case with Warmachine. there is no "one list". there is no "the list". there is no "half a dozen viable builds" in the sense that you are used to from 40k. With Khador, and Irusk, as mentioned, "everything can be built into a viable, game winning strategy". there is a sense of freedom in army design that is actually quite scary for someone that is used to how things worked in GWs world since the "how to" guide is so radically different. I know it took me an age to exorcise my 40k demons when i moved over.

If i was building an Irusk list, i would give him either Wyshnayler (helps out with spells), or the wardog (helps out with last man defense) as an attachment. I'd run him with the Behemoth, since i love the model (and superiority is nuts with him). Beyond that, Iron Fangs are always solid, and you can rarely go wrong with the Winter Guard (Rifle Korps, or Infantry) and some Widowmakers for some range infantry clearing. Or if you fancy it, Nyss Hunters with Valachev work quite nicely with Irusk. beyond tha, or aside from that, its up to you. All of it is effective. What gets taken depends mainly on preference

Hes looking to expand on a fluff centric Irusk list. While Irusk is the highest ranking military official, yes he can take anything any time as he has the authority to simply take any troops from anywhere for whatever he wants.

BUT, he does not use all troops. He clearly prefers the more standard/core infantry units backed up by artillery style units and reinforced with heavy infantry. This suggests that he uses lots of IFPs, Winterguard, Man-O-War, Mortars, widowmakers. I have never read him using doom reavers or spellcaster style units.

Deadnight wrote:

 Fner wrote:

Er...
I've so far been going for a list that contains models I like the look of, and I've detailed my current force in the first post.
If there was anything you could suggest to build on it, I would be grateful.

there is a sense of freedom in army design that is actually quite scary for someone that is used to how things worked in GWs world

Actually, that statement brings a rather unsettling smile to my face as I realise anything is viable...
Well, may as well pull a Demolisher along for the ride.