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Hi all!
I'm still relatively new to warhammer40k
And I had done some research and really wanted to do some Tau/Necron Conversions, but also wanted to know if it was on some level 'lore-friendly'..
I think I read somewhere that Necron Pariah's are assimilated/bred humans who were unaffected by the Warp and designed to be used by the Necron to used against those who are part of the Warp.
I read that the Tau are not meant to be part of the Warp and therefore do not feel its affects.
Also the fact that the Mindshackle Scarab's could be used on a small faction tau to 'influence' their thoughts to think that assimilation is required for the next step in Tau advancement and willingly submit to the Necron
So I was hoping if it was possible for a small faction of Tau to be enslaved or have Necron influence over it and to have my own Necron/Tau model conversions to be somewhat lore friendly.
It makes me wonder if a tau/necron hybrid mutation would be lore friendly..instead of just making the tau units Pariahs.

Please be gentle..im still new to all this


TLDR; Can a tau/necron hybrid/mutation be lore friendly?

Very intersting.... I have no idea though.
Point of post is welcome to dakka

thanks! ^^

Why would the Necrons bother? I think they'd just exterminate the Tau.
But don't let it stop you. A Necron/Tau conversion sounds awesome.

Short answer: yes

Long answer: you need to get some 40k street cred under your belt first. This is like asking the plausibility of running a football trap play on a 3rd and long, early in the game, in the red zone. It's a valid question with a valid set of arguments on either side... but it's the wrong question for a newb to ask.

40k lore can get pretty personnel to those deep in the game/setting. You're asking to do grad work as an incoming freshmen. It's not that it can't be done, I'm just very skeptical you have the scope to do it in a way that will be appreciated by those in the game. I've seen this quite a few times, where a new guy does something that goes a little too far in messing with the lore... we all try to catch each other's eyes to keep the lore lawyers from tearing the guy apart... but we're all thinking "really!?, what on earth was this guy thinking?!" and are just trying to be nice.

Good idea... not yet (btw: I think enclave will work best for this).

Go be honest this sounds like something trayzn would pull in a bid to add something to his "collection". Then again I dont think he would make it obvious, which kinda nips the whole conversion idea in the bud. I have to say it COULD happen, but like others said it touchy territory..

I did a Tyranid necron mix...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/47177-close%20up.html?m=2

Crazy borg mix? maybe, Not fluffy ? maybe...
if you want to do this Tau/necron conversion ... Go for it...

also.. I have done/doing a Grey knight Ork army..
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/458095-Dakka%20dread.html?m=2
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/305561-.html?m=2

Xeno?


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 Lobukia wrote:
Short answer: yes

Long answer: you need to get some 40k street cred under your belt first. This is like asking the plausibility of running a football trap play on a 3rd and long, early in the game, in the red zone. It's a valid question with a valid set of arguments on either side... but it's the wrong question for a newb to ask.

That's bull. Anyone at any level of the hobby should be trying to learn as much about it as they can, and questions like this are good for that.

There is no place for elitist experience snobbery in 40k. There are no stupid questions. Discouraging people from diving in with both feet first is like discouraging them from taking part in the hobby at all. Half the fun of this hobby is fitting your own lore into GW's framework, that's why we have freedom of septs, regiments and chapters.

____________________

Yes, you can make Necron-influenced Tau. Even without the theory that the Necrons are the one who bioengineered the Ethereals in the first place (most subscribe to the Eldar theory, but to me at least, Necrons fit better), it's definitely something Trazyn might do, and there are plenty of other Overlords who might take an interest.

Tau have souls - tiny ones, but they are there - and if a Pariah can undergo biotransferance, then a creature that does have a soul should be no trouble at all. Mindshackle Scarabs are also an option, although Hammer and Anvil features a character who breaks their control through faith alone. She was a Sister of Battle though, so rather a special case.


Edit: Crevab, why does the scarab-lady Tau have a Lance of Longinus? :p

 Lobukia wrote:
Long answer: you need to get some 40k street cred under your belt first. This is like asking the plausibility of running a football trap play on a 3rd and long, early in the game, in the red zone. It's a valid question with a valid set of arguments on either side... but it's the wrong question for a newb to ask.

Huh? what? Wrong question for a newb to ask? I guess you've never heard the saying there's no stupid questions, only stupid answers.

You do realise we're mostly grown men (the occasional grown woman or not-grown person) playing with little toy dollies and GW are massively fickle with their lore anyway? Elitism really has no place. Even if the suggestion is completely and utterly lore breaking, who gives a flip, it's his toy dollies and if he wants to bend the lore, more power to him.

Perhaps a lesser Lord mistook them for warp-incapable because they're so weak in it, so tried to make a large batch of Pariahs, and wound up with a mix of other necrons-equivelents?

If you went that route, you might have borg-esque Necrons converted from several different races....

Honestly, my first thought was no, but I now think this sounds awesome! Post some of your work!

Necrons are not the Borg, they don't assimilate. Some dynasties conquer and kill all life. Others are content simply ruling over the "lesser" species. If you're wanting a collaboration, I would focus on the latter.

dhehankim wrote:
Hi all!
I'm still relatively new to warhammer40k
And I had done some research and really wanted to do some Tau/Necron Conversions, but also wanted to know if it was on some level 'lore-friendly'..
I think I read somewhere that Necron Pariah's are assimilated/bred humans who were unaffected by the Warp and designed to be used by the Necron to used against those who are part of the Warp.
I read that the Tau are not meant to be part of the Warp and therefore do not feel its affects.
Also the fact that the Mindshackle Scarab's could be used on a small faction tau to 'influence' their thoughts to think that assimilation is required for the next step in Tau advancement and willingly submit to the Necron
So I was hoping if it was possible for a small faction of Tau to be enslaved or have Necron influence over it and to have my own Necron/Tau model conversions to be somewhat lore friendly.
It makes me wonder if a tau/necron hybrid mutation would be lore friendly..instead of just making the tau units Pariahs.

Please be gentle..im still new to all this


TLDR; Can a tau/necron hybrid/mutation be lore friendly?

Yes, it is theoretically possible.

There are actually quite a few ways to go about it :

A) Trazyn did it. He thought having Cyber-Tau would be a fun addition to his menagerie.

B) The Severed / "Renegade" (Basically any necron faction that doesn't follow the laws of the Triarch, silent king) Tomb World : They bolster their ranks by going full cybermen on any organic they can find.

C) A cryptek did it : FOR SCIENCE!

D) A Tau drank some liquid living metal: Ok, I'm being silly here, but hear me out.
Living metal can change it's form and spread around, like that stuff from Terminator 2. Which is why necron vehicles and bodies are so resistant, and why it's possible for the flayed one to "grow" claws and teeth.
So, theoretically, a crafty overlord can turn it into some sort of "bio-weapon" by somehow programming it (perhaps with nanomachines) to consume and take over organic matter.
Imagine it, it's a bright day on some Tau sept world, everyone is all happy, then all of sudden, everyone has this metal stuff leak through their pores and makes them into machine.
Of course, I'm just making that up - there's nothing in the current lore about that. But it is possible...

I like your idea and think its quite creative. Trazyn would be a good HQ fit.

So would any generic Overlord with a backstory of your creation. You can even makeup some new kind of scarabs that your Overlord created for some nefarious purpose of your choosing ...wide open for your imagination.

Sounds like an awesome backstory that could lead to some very cool model conversions.

Furyou Miko wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Short answer: yes

Long answer: you need to get some 40k street cred under your belt first. This is like asking the plausibility of running a football trap play on a 3rd and long, early in the game, in the red zone. It's a valid question with a valid set of arguments on either side... but it's the wrong question for a newb to ask.

That's bull. Anyone at any level of the hobby should be trying to learn as much about it as they can, and questions like this are good for that.

There is no place for elitist experience snobbery in 40k. There are no stupid questions. Discouraging people from diving in with both feet first is like discouraging them from taking part in the hobby at all. Half the fun of this hobby is fitting your own lore into GW's framework, that's why we have freedom of septs, regiments and chapters.

____________________

Yes, you can make Necron-influenced Tau. Even without the theory that the Necrons are the one who bioengineered the Ethereals in the first place (most subscribe to the Eldar theory, but to me at least, Necrons fit better), it's definitely something Trazyn might do, and there are plenty of other Overlords who might take an interest.

Tau have souls - tiny ones, but they are there - and if a Pariah can undergo biotransferance, then a creature that does have a soul should be no trouble at all. Mindshackle Scarabs are also an option, although Hammer and Anvil features a character who breaks their control through faith alone. She was a Sister of Battle though, so rather a special case.


Edit: Crevab, why does the scarab-lady Tau have a Lance of Longinus? :p

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Long answer: you need to get some 40k street cred under your belt first. This is like asking the plausibility of running a football trap play on a 3rd and long, early in the game, in the red zone. It's a valid question with a valid set of arguments on either side... but it's the wrong question for a newb to ask.

Huh? what? Wrong question for a newb to ask? I guess you've never heard the saying there's no stupid questions, only stupid answers.

You do realise we're mostly grown men (the occasional grown woman or not-grown person) playing with little toy dollies and GW are massively fickle with their lore anyway? Elitism really has no place. Even if the suggestion is completely and utterly lore breaking, who gives a flip, it's his toy dollies and if he wants to bend the lore, more power to him.

Welcome to the real gamer world folks

lol, (dang gentle-folks, I hit nerve), its not elitism. It just is. Some one walks into a FLGS with an entire army of female space marines, or a force of fallen grey knights, or necrons done up as elder friends, or an all MLP blood crushers force... I'd love to be able to say that everyone would embrace the creativeness behind those forces and go with it. Add to that, the player in question being relatively new to the hobby.... and they are just as likely to feel hurt and disappointed by the reaction they receive as be welcomed with open arms. You're fools if you think green lighting a rather new person to the hobby into diving into the fringe of fluff (or beyond) is the "kind, accepting, tolerant" thing to do. In fact, I think you are doing them a disservice. As I said, they need to educate themselves on the nuances of the 40k world and get a little experience (in game and in their gaming community), before diving into something like this.

You can blow sunshine and lollipop kisses at their idea... but you're not being very truthful or helpful to them, just being naïve. He asked if it was lore friendly, I'm warning him of the possible cliff ahead (possible)... you just want to tell him to drive however he wants, who are we to judge? Silly people.

 Lobukia wrote:
Welcome to the real gamer world folks

Faulty premise. Most gamers I know are far more impressed when someone takes the time to create a cool backstory, model cool conversions, etc.

 Lobukia wrote:
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Welcome to the real gamer world folks

It is elitism. You're basically saying that you need to be some kind of local hero loremaster to be even a little bit creative.

Thing is, the OP's not asking about female space marines, or my little chaos cultists.

You don't have to be the big man around town to have an interesting, unique army idea, unless your local group are all too stuck up to be worth playing with... as you seem to think everyone should be.

jasper76 wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Welcome to the real gamer world folks

Faulty premise. Most gamers I know are far more impressed when someone takes the time to create a cool backstory, model cool conversions, etc.

So what premise is faulty? That some gamers are territorial about their setting's lore? Some are (many are)
That because most people you know aren't a certain way, that therefore those people don't exist? Wow, who's making unsustainable premises now?

Does the OP's idea push the envelope? I dunno, but its worth be cautioned about.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
[
Welcome to the real gamer world folks

It is elitism. You're basically saying that you need to be some kind of local hero loremaster to be even a little bit creative.

Thing is, the OP's not asking about female space marines, or my little chaos cultists.

You don't have to be the big man around town to have an interesting, unique army idea, unless your local group are all too stuck up to be worth playing with... as you seem to think everyone should be.

Read what I've actually typed. I said "get some experience (or cred)". How does that support your crazy hyperbole? I also said I'd hope/like his force to be embraced. In my short answer to his questions, I said sure. I'm not sure why you're projecting elitist hostility into my words (and ignoring/failing to comprehend the rest). I've played in clubs all over the ole' US of A since the RT days. I've been to tournies, GTs, and RTTs. I've played with old and young gamers. I've seen a notable amount of fluff Nazis and I think the OP should be aware of those.

If I was going through the work and such that he is proposing, and there was a possible chance the desired audience wouldn't appreciate it, I'd want to know. I assume he wants to know too (otherwise why ask the question here in the first place). If you want to paint me as some lore fundamentalist, I can't stop you, but I've done nothing more than provide genuine help and address a very real issue that the OP should be aware of.

You must not have read many threads on DakkaDakka, otherwise you'd have seen the arguments on running Blue Blood Angels, MLP 40k forces, fallen GK, etc. People care about the lore and setting at varying degrees. Why wouldn't the OP test the local waters first before diving into a massive army wide conversion? And why wouldn't those of us who know the possible dangers not warn him? and even more so, why on earth are you freaking out and getting all self righteous over someone offering help?

Things are the way they are, wishing/wanting isn't changing. I truly hope that the OP finds good fluff to back up his idea, or failing that, has a gaming group that would enjoy the finished product.... but that doesn't make me want to leave him ignorant nor does it mean that I'll back down to the sunshine brigade's petty little rants.

/thread for me

 buddha wrote:
Necrons are not the Borg, they don't assimilate. Some dynasties conquer and kill all life. Others are content simply ruling over the "lesser" species. If you're wanting a collaboration, I would focus on the latter.

Yay, that's what I thought at first. But 40k has a fair share of mad scientist types, and one of the Necrons' goals is reverting the effects of biotransference - It won't surprise me if some necron cryptech had been using his enslaved subjects for experiments in organic-mechanical synthesis.

Even if the OP was to use Codex: Tau, I'd suggest going a bit crazy with the miniatures. Instead of just buying, say, a Riptide and painting it silver, I'd assemble a towering biomechanical monster bristling with guns and insane tech.

I don't know why but all I can think about in regards to this idea is Mass Effect husks:



I say go for it dhehankim!

I'm a fan of the science experiment route or potentially a common enemy/greater good alliance approach. Perhaps, the Tau make a similar deal with the Necrons which the Necrons themselves made long ago due to an impending danger.

The right Cryptek would probably test out Biotransference on a creature (Tau) that is even less-psychic than the Necrontyr were (who were also non-psychic, but not kinda-blanky like the Tau are... the Necrons just didn't have to deal with daemons).

There are several Necron dynasties who are looking to reverse Bio-Transference and return to being living creatures, so having some unfortunate, bio-transferred and necrodermis-plated Tau beasts, probably one and all hopelessly insane by the process of having their personalities reduced to a digital engram and then installed into a legion of voiceless, semi-organic bodies, is not outside the realm of possibility.

The Necrons are, as a faction, built around the idea of Mad Science. These are things that can blow up stars with a blink, travel through time on a whim, and control the weather by waving their hands about. Turning some little blue dudes/dudettes into robo-fishalopes would be child's play.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Necrons are, as a faction, built around the idea of Mad Science. These are things that can blow up stars with a blink, travel through time on a whim, and control the weather by waving their hands about. Turning some little blue dudes/dudettes into robo-fishalopes would be child's play.

I have always had the belief that at least one of the c'tan looks like Dr. Wily.

That gives me an idea of doing up a Cryptek with a huge 'stache done with corkscrew-style necrodermis.

It's perfect, right .

 Lobukia wrote:

Furyou Miko wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Short answer: yes

Long answer: you need to get some 40k street cred under your belt first. This is like asking the plausibility of running a football trap play on a 3rd and long, early in the game, in the red zone. It's a valid question with a valid set of arguments on either side... but it's the wrong question for a newb to ask.

That's bull. Anyone at any level of the hobby should be trying to learn as much about it as they can, and questions like this are good for that.

There is no place for elitist experience snobbery in 40k. There are no stupid questions. Discouraging people from diving in with both feet first is like discouraging them from taking part in the hobby at all. Half the fun of this hobby is fitting your own lore into GW's framework, that's why we have freedom of septs, regiments and chapters.

____________________

Yes, you can make Necron-influenced Tau. Even without the theory that the Necrons are the one who bioengineered the Ethereals in the first place (most subscribe to the Eldar theory, but to me at least, Necrons fit better), it's definitely something Trazyn might do, and there are plenty of other Overlords who might take an interest.

Tau have souls - tiny ones, but they are there - and if a Pariah can undergo biotransferance, then a creature that does have a soul should be no trouble at all. Mindshackle Scarabs are also an option, although Hammer and Anvil features a character who breaks their control through faith alone. She was a Sister of Battle though, so rather a special case.


Edit: Crevab, why does the scarab-lady Tau have a Lance of Longinus? :p

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Long answer: you need to get some 40k street cred under your belt first. This is like asking the plausibility of running a football trap play on a 3rd and long, early in the game, in the red zone. It's a valid question with a valid set of arguments on either side... but it's the wrong question for a newb to ask.

Huh? what? Wrong question for a newb to ask? I guess you've never heard the saying there's no stupid questions, only stupid answers.

You do realise we're mostly grown men (the occasional grown woman or not-grown person) playing with little toy dollies and GW are massively fickle with their lore anyway? Elitism really has no place. Even if the suggestion is completely and utterly lore breaking, who gives a flip, it's his toy dollies and if he wants to bend the lore, more power to him.

Welcome to the real gamer world folks

lol, (dang gentle-folks, I hit nerve), its not elitism. It just is. Some one walks into a FLGS with an entire army of female space marines, or a force of fallen grey knights, or necrons done up as elder friends, or an all MLP blood crushers force... I'd love to be able to say that everyone would embrace the creativeness behind those forces and go with it. Add to that, the player in question being relatively new to the hobby.... and they are just as likely to feel hurt and disappointed by the reaction they receive as be welcomed with open arms. You're fools if you think green lighting a rather new person to the hobby into diving into the fringe of fluff (or beyond) is the "kind, accepting, tolerant" thing to do. In fact, I think you are doing them a disservice. As I said, they need to educate themselves on the nuances of the 40k world and get a little experience (in game and in their gaming community), before diving into something like this.

You can blow sunshine and lollipop kisses at their idea... but you're not being very truthful or helpful to them, just being naïve. He asked if it was lore friendly, I'm warning him of the possible cliff ahead (possible)... you just want to tell him to drive however he wants, who are we to judge? Silly people.

Considering the influx of third party storyline and rules for both 40K and Fantasy that FLGS are accepting as cannon, I hardly think this idea of the OP will leave locals screaming in horror "Some people just want to watch the world burn!" nor will the horses start eating each other. Conversions are one of the greatest things about this hobby...If you want to make it, and you want to write in how it fits then go for gold! Want a hammerhead fitted with a gauss cannon? Build it! Want FW's with ork heads? Do it! the galaxy is a big place, with hundreds of undiscovered worlds and species...why not let people expand the game....If everyone just conformed to what was originally written we'd all be playing Advanced Dungeons and Dragons slapping anyone who said "Hey lets play in space with space orcs and super soldiers..."

TO the OP, I play Tau my mate plays Necrons and I will be having a ago at this conversion for fun...because thats what this hobby is...GROWN ARSE PEOPLE BUILDING, PAINTING AND PLAYING WITH EXPENSIVE TOYS FOR FUN!

dhehankim wrote:
Hi all!
I'm still relatively new to warhammer40k
And I had done some research and really wanted to do some Tau/Necron Conversions, but also wanted to know if it was on some level 'lore-friendly'..
I think I read somewhere that Necron Pariah's are assimilated/bred humans who were unaffected by the Warp and designed to be used by the Necron to used against those who are part of the Warp.
I read that the Tau are not meant to be part of the Warp and therefore do not feel its affects.
Also the fact that the Mindshackle Scarab's could be used on a small faction tau to 'influence' their thoughts to think that assimilation is required for the next step in Tau advancement and willingly submit to the Necron
So I was hoping if it was possible for a small faction of Tau to be enslaved or have Necron influence over it and to have my own Necron/Tau model conversions to be somewhat lore friendly.
It makes me wonder if a tau/necron hybrid mutation would be lore friendly..instead of just making the tau units Pariahs.

Please be gentle..im still new to all this


TLDR; Can a tau/necron hybrid/mutation be lore friendly?

I doubt it because of the implied relationship between tau and eldar.

If necrons had a nemesis in the galaxy it would be Eldar and if you're battle brothers with them or have good relations with them then you're almost guaranteed to be an enemy of the necrons. Not that it discounts the experimentation like you've described, but I believe the lore mentions that humans only produce psychic blanks / pariahs and necrons are really only interested in this mutation because of it's usefulness to combat Eldar and psychic powers that they're weak against.

Thanks for the response guys.
Everyone has made valid points!
No need to argue with each other. I think one side wants to make sure I know my lore before going in and making wide claims, the other side just wants me to be creative.
I totally get both sides!

So, i shall endeavor to get my knowledge up to date, practice my paint strokes, make sure that all avenues of lore and creativity are explored and make this necro-tau conversion creation my ultimate goal, both lore-wise and creativity-wise!