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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 12:24:43
Subject: Need help as SM VS Lelith Hesperax
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Hey, tomorrow I'm going to be playing against my friend in a 1,000 point game of SM (Ultras) vs DE, and I know 100% that he will be using Lelith Hesperax as his HQ choice, and I know how deadly she is if she ever gets into close combat, however I wish to meet her head on with a pretty tough combatant.
For now I believe that if I field Chaplain Cassius for the following reasons - Shes's S3 I'm T6, and I get to reroll fail to hits on the first turn (WS5 vs WS9) since I'll need 5s to hit, and to my knowledge she doesn't have poisoned weapons Also since she's T3 and I have S6 with a crozius, I only need to hurt her once as long as she fails and Invul save she may have. Is this a good idea? I'm going to be putting him with a squad of Assault Terminators (2 LC + 3 TH).
Any thoughts about what I can do to improve?
I am also fielding Tigurius, with Telepathy, Biomancy and Pyromancy, gunning for Invisibility or Hallucination on Telepathy - Primaris power is also cool. Iron Arm (+D3 Strength + Toughness) or Endurance (Gives Relentless to the Missile Launcher guy in his squad) on Biomancy, and Fire Shield (2D6 AP4 attacks on any squad that successfuly charges with a selected unit within 24", resolved before combat starts) or Molten beam on Pyromancy
Thanks!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 12:39:48
Subject: Need help as SM VS Lelith Hesperax
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Shooting her is going to be much safer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 12:41:53
Subject: Re:Need help as SM VS Lelith Hesperax
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Yeah I already know that, but my space marine army lacks shooty stuff, all I really have is Tac squads scout squads and a couple of land raiders, however the latter are too costly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 13:08:03
Subject: Need help as SM VS Lelith Hesperax
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
London, UK
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Sounds like a good plan to me, although Cassius will need 4+ to hit someone with WS 9, not 5+.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 13:09:18
Subject: Need help as SM VS Lelith Hesperax
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
Connah's Quay, North Wales
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Yes, that squad would murder her and anything she is with, no contest. That Chaplin will beat the snot outta the latex clad she-devil with ease. All that sounds great? You are forgetting one, fairy important, thing. You are SLOW! With as little shooting as you have their is no reason for Leith to charge in until she s assured to win, because you don't have the shooting to down the Dark Eldar transports. Unless that is you put all of them in a Land Raider, but I am pretty sure that unit rounds out to around 500pts of 1000pt game AND the Dark Eldar should be packing at LEAST 5 Str 8 Ap 2 Lance weapons (General rule of 1 DL weapon per 150pts is looser in small points) that can pop the Land Raider quite easily.
In short, you are looking at this in a Vacuum. Why would the DE player engage in CC with you CC units when he has the speed to do CC with your range units and shoot you CC units? What I'd suggest is to have a Dev squad to blow up transports an simply take a Captain with SE an a Thunder Hammer to defend the home front. Also, FTR, he could always accept challenge with Syren and have Lelith butch the unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 13:29:17
Subject: Need help as SM VS Lelith Hesperax
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Thanks for the input and I see what you mean, however my friend is the type who charges in without question (he just want to watch things die), and since I'll be making Cassius my warlord he will want to bring the unit down and I could confidently bet money on him charging the squad. If, on the off chance, he doesn't, I'll have Tigurius at the back ready to defend against Lelith, however I need lucky psychic power rolls to do so.
Also I unfortunately do not own any dev squads, I just have tons of Land raiders and dreadnoughts. (I am fielding one dreadnought with an Assault cannon and CCW)
I am also using a tac squad with a ML and PG and a scout squad with a ML, so I may be able to bring 1 or 2 of the transports down quickly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 13:56:47
Subject: Need help as SM VS Lelith Hesperax
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
Connah's Quay, North Wales
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So a Land Raider, 5 Assault Termies, that Special Chaplin, a full Tac Squad, a Scout and Tigarius. I'd bet that is around about 1000pts there, give or take a dreadnaught maybe. If he is running Lelith you can bet your ass he will have a unit of Blood Brides to go with her, either 2 Splinter Boats or 3 Double Cannon Venoms, A Ravager or two and some Trueborn with Blasters or Splinter Cannons.
In general it's a bad tactic for your tactic to be to rely on their tactics to be bad tactics (try saying that 5 times), he will know Lelith can't handle that squad/character so he will charge a unit he can take. I would suggest dropping Tigarius to get yourself another Dreadnaught, becaue 2 ML, 1 PG and 2 TL Las cannons won't be enough to stop the fleet or DE skimmers coming your way,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 14:09:05
Subject: Need help as SM VS Lelith Hesperax
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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I know three good ways to handle her,
Shoot her
Shoot her
Shoot her
After that, it's honor guard with an inquisitor, CM, and a chaplain, but seriously, shoot her.
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