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Can I use more than 1 attack per model to use the Poison Sting attack on Plague Drones?

Logic = It doesn't tell me I cant use more than one.

40k is a permissive rule set. You have to be told what you can do in order to do anything.

You just broke everyone logic who plays Eldar.

Not really. Without a permissive rule set the rules don't work because special rules and exceptions wouldn't superceed the base rules.

So how do people stack the same Blessings when Blessings specifically state you can only stack "Different' blessings with the permissive ruleset notion of different blessings no longer actually being permissive in 40k since people do what ever the masses agree upon.

GoliothOnline wrote:
So how do people stack the same Blessings when Blessings specifically state you can only stack "Different' blessings with the permissive ruleset notion of different blessings no longer actually being permissive in 40k since people do what ever the masses agree upon.

You need to learn about periods, commas, and/or semi-colons. This will help people understand what argument you're trying to make, and will allow for a more productive discussion.

If you're referring to Hammerhand stacking...please go post in the current Hammerhead thread. It's long and interesting (and full of insults), and it doesn't need to start again here.

If you're referring to Eldar, which you already referenced...could you specify what exactly you're talking about?

What?

You're stating that you need permission to actually stack things. Whether they be attacks, stats or what have you.

Yet you see players stacking blessings, completely ignoring rules on page 68 of the BRB, simply because their logic dictates they can if they spin a lie on what is permissive. Just because you can interpret things differently doesn't mean you're allowed to break blatant rules by disregarding what's in front of you.

When you look at Codex Eldar you get players trying to stack the SAME blessings over and over again when page 68 of the BRB clearly states that different blessings may stack. Their logic, because it DOESN'T say the same blessings may stack, it's clearly allowed. Yet the entire point of this argument is made moot when you bring up the point of permission to do so in 40ks rules.

You aren't being told you can. Therefore you can't




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Id like to keep this on topic though

So again, can you substitute more than 1 attack for a Venom Sting attack with Plague Drones as it is not restrictive?

GoliothOnline wrote:
You're stating that you need permission to actually stack things. Whether they be attacks, stats or what have you.

Yet you see players stacking blessings, completely ignoring rules on page 68 of the BRB, simply because their logic dictates they can if they spin a lie on what is permissive. Just because you can interpret things differently doesn't mean you're allowed to break blatant rules by disregarding what's in front of you.

What blatant rules are being broken? There's literally no rules on page 68 saying the same blessings cannot stack. There's no spinning a lie on anything.

Id like to keep this on topic though

Amusing since you were the one dragging it off topic in the first place.

Depends on what your definition of "one" is.

I guess GW should have written "anything not specifically allowed by the rules is verboten" so everyone would be on the same page.

OP: I assume you talk about the Venom Sting? Doesn't it specify "before rolling to hit, nominate one of this model's attacks"? So one sting / model.

GoliothOnline wrote:
You're stating that you need permission to actually stack things. Whether they be attacks, stats or what have you.

Yet you see players stacking blessings, completely ignoring rules on page 68 of the BRB, simply because their logic dictates they can if they spin a lie on what is permissive. Just because you can interpret things differently doesn't mean you're allowed to break blatant rules by disregarding what's in front of you.

When you look at Codex Eldar you get players trying to stack the SAME blessings over and over again when page 68 of the BRB clearly states that different blessings may stack. Their logic, because it DOESN'T say the same blessings may stack, it's clearly allowed. Yet the entire point of this argument is made moot when you bring up the point of permission to do so in 40ks rules.

You aren't being told you can. Therefore you can't




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Id like to keep this on topic though

So again, can you substitute more than 1 attack for a Venom Sting attack with Plague Drones as it is not restrictive?

Permission to stack is not needed because the powers already have permission to resolve.

So a few things.

Hammerhand as an example is terrible, because it's written for an old codex; but either way, has been discussed to death in its dedicated thread.

Psychic powers, in general, are never forbidden from being cast on the same unit more than once, and any potential modifier is not explicitly forbidden from stacking. You are allowed to cast one blessing multiple times.

Unlike Hammerhand, however, the wording of the rules for each psychic power in the BRB and C:ED mean that multiple castings will not generate multiple modifiers, and therefore will not stack regardless.

Passing Multiple Psychic tests for HH generates +1 per passing. Casting any number of BRB/C:ED powers only ever means that the unit is under the effect of it- because the wording of such powers states the condition 'whilst the power in effect'.

A dozen castings of any of these powers still only means that the power is in effect. From many different sources, but in effect.

TL;DR: You can cast multiple times but the wording of the rules themselves means it's a waste of time.



Back on topic

Okay, am I going mad, or can I not see any attack described as Poison Sting anywhere in the 6th 40k codex? All I see on Plague Drones is a Plaguesword and Nurgle rules...


Scratch that. I assume what they mean is Venom Sting, the upgrade, which I glanced over for not containing a P at the beginning. In which case, it says 'one of this model's attacks', and one means one.

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
So a few things.

Hammerhand as an example is terrible, because it's written for an old codex; but either way, has been discussed to death in its dedicated thread.

Psychic powers, in general, are never forbidden from being cast on the same unit more than once, and any potential modifier is not explicitly forbidden from stacking. You are allowed to cast one blessing multiple times.

Unlike Hammerhand, however, the wording of the rules for each psychic power in the BRB and C:ED mean that multiple castings will not generate multiple modifiers, and therefore will not stack regardless.

Passing Multiple Psychic tests for HH generates +1 per passing. Casting any number of BRB/C:ED powers only ever means that the unit is under the effect of it- because the wording of such powers states the condition 'whilst the power in effect'.

A dozen castings of any of these powers still only means that the power is in effect. From many different sources, but in effect.


TL;DR: You can cast multiple times but the wording of the rules themselves means it's a waste of time.

This Heavily depends on your definition of different powers. I drive a black 1997 Ford Expedition, and my friend Joe also drives a black 1997 Ford Expedition. Are they the same car?

From what I have seen, GTs and RTTs alike seem pretty spilt down the middle on this issue. Hopefully the new "Psychic Phase" will clarify this.

ON TOPIC:I read it as only one.

OK, I'm going to say this now, so hopefully a mod does not have to.

This topic has nothing to do with whether or not Psychic Powers can stack. If you want to discuss that, start a new thread, so the Mods can immediately lock it.