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Also read the fluff Horus did respect Dorn and think he would make a good warmaster yes he would pick sangunius first but Dorn was right there giving advice to Horus on a regular basis and Horus needed it and he knew it.

But what you said was wrong. He would have picked Sanguinus, not Dorn. He trusted only a few of his brothers, Dorn was one of them, one of the few that were truly supportive of him being appointed warmaster.

And yet horus betrayed everyone still. What a Failure.

Wouldn't the return of the Russ or perhaps even Corax also mean the restoration of Big-E?

Any of the loyal returning Primarchs could demand and most likely get audiences with Big-E. I do not think the High Lords would be all that happy about that, but what could they do?

The Khan. The Russ and perhaps even Corax may get along with the High Lords well. They would be all like: 'What needs killin?' and the High Lords would be all like: 'This, that and whatevah you feel like. What toys can we get for you?'

Gullimen, The Lion and Vulkan would most likely want to change the IoM to varying degrees and that may not make the High Lords happy.

Dorn be dead.

What the hell ever, Magnus is NOT trying to fix the Rubric, that's just your imagination until you can come up with a citation. He was angry about it, sure, but Tzeench brought him to heel about it. Magnus was perfectly willing to bleed his Legion dry just to stop the Space Wolves from spawning successor chapters. And the only reason Magnus was "outsmarted" by the Warp is because the Emperor had zero foresight and no faith in his children, otherwise he could have prepared them for the Chaos powers and avoided the whole Heresy. i.e. Emperor was the biggest dumbass in history.

Vulkan is dead. He got tagged in the face by the same artillery that brought down the walls of the Imperial Palace. Sallies and their fans just love their wishful thinking.

Omegus wrote:Vulkan is dead. He got tagged in the face by the same artillery that brought down the walls of the Imperial Palace. Sallies and their fans just love their wishful thinking.

Where, might I ask, do you get that from?

HH novels. Lion gives Perturabo the super cannons. Perturabo uses said cannons on Istvaan. Vulkan takes a full barrage to the face.

Omegus wrote:HH novels. Lion gives Perturabo the super cannons. Perturabo uses said cannons on Istvaan. Vulkan takes a full barrage to the face.

You might have a point, except for the fact that Vulkan was seen after Istvaan and opposed the Codex Astartes.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vulkan

Omegus wrote:HH novels. Lion gives Perturabo the super cannons. Perturabo uses said cannons on Istvaan. Vulkan takes a full barrage to the face.

thats wrong every sources says Vulkan lives Space Marine Codex, Horus Hersey Collected Visions, Salamander Lore even says he survived.

I don't know where people keep getting the notion that Vulkan is dead. He opposed the Codex, which occured distinctly after the heresy, then hid all of his artifacts a few hundred years later. Then peaced. That's the whole point of the Chapter collecting his artifacts.

Anyways, my vote is for Vulkan. Not solely because I'm a Sallies fan, but what fluff exists about the Sallies and their primarch states that they're very much a force that fights for the Imperium, not for glory or conquest, but to genuinely defend the Imperium and its citizens. Vulkan might not lead some kind of epic crusade, especially single handed, but he'd certainly be able to alter the Imperium in a positive way.

Though my second place vote lies with the Lion. Pretty decent guy, a little shady, but can lead a crusade.

Inconsistent, contradictory fluff is inconsistent and contradictory.

He is a primarch, maybe he survived the artillery strike somehow. Did it actually say the blast killed him.

Not in any of the Horus Heresy books. He disappeared in a huge explosion, so his end isn't revealed barring his appearances a few years later. Considering Horus was trapped in a collapsing Star-ship and Fulgrim beat down an Avatar with his bear hands, his survival is pretty likely.

Okay it's not really contradictory then because he could have survived it and according to fluff has.

Have to go with Vulkan, he's really the only proper good guy IMO.

And he likes hammers and fire.

cincydooley wrote: I think what I'm about to say could be construed as heresy, but a Blood Ravens Librarian Chapter Master could be a good pick. Having a powerful psyker as the leader has some precedent...

Well quite literly since pre DoW Reribution theire Chapter Master WAS a Heretic. Now everything is cleaned upp and Gabriel is there Chapter master... A non psyker as far as im aware...

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In my opinion Russ should come back. in Prospero burns it states that all of the primarchs fulfill a purpose Russ was the executioner designed to penalise and/or kill the other primarchs. if he were to come back (in my opinion) he would be one of the few 'people' who would have anny chance of defeating the daemon primarchs, abadon, tyranid leaders etc.

of cource i am bias due to my love of all things to do with Vylka Fenryka

Correct me if im worng but i thought Lion was alie in stasis in the rock...

huntho21 wrote:In my opinion Russ should come back. in Prospero burns it states that all of the primarchs fulfill a purpose Russ was the executioner designed to penalise and/or kill the other primarchs. if he were to come back (in my opinion) he would be one of the few 'people' who would have anny chance of defeating the daemon primarchs, abadon, tyranid leaders etc.

of cource i am bias due to my love of all things to do with Vylka Fenryka

No better a chance then any other Primarch.

Russ just barely and due to luck beat a multi-tasking Magnus in personal combat.

Now, the Primarchs are Daemon Princes, and as such are even more powerful.

huntho21 wrote:In my opinion Russ should come back. in Prospero burns it states that all of the primarchs fulfill a purpose Russ was the executioner designed to penalise and/or kill the other primarchs.

No, it doesn't "state" that. It is an opinion put forth by an old Space Wolf who is trying to impress their pet human. Hardly a statement of fact.

It was brought up in other Heresy books as well, namely A Thousand Sons and The First Heretic.

EDIT: Just saw the bit you wrote about punishing other Primarchs, that's never specifically stated, just that he was the Emperor's executioner.

Citation please.

lledwey wrote:Not sure why Dorn is on the list, unless you want to clone his hands or something... He is a skeleton on the Phalanx.

Only got his hands, there was rumour he is leading the custodes.

Id like to see Russ come back...As a Daemon prince of Khorne and see how his wolves deal with that one. Honestly though none of the loyalist primarchs should show up again but I really wish they would do more with the traitors. they dont have to show up often but its cool when angron showed up at armageddon why cant he others pop in once and a while to say hello?

Guilliman would be the best for the Imperium. He has once already led the Imperium for a brief time, and it would be much easier for him to reassume control. Most of the Space Marine Chapters are of his line, afterall. I also believe he has most appropriate skill set of all the primarchs that are able to return.

RogalDorn69 wrote:

lledwey wrote:Not sure why Dorn is on the list, unless you want to clone his hands or something... He is a skeleton on the Phalanx.

Only got his hands, there was rumour he is leading the custodes.

He's dead

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rogal_Dorn

died on a chaos vessel

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

RogalDorn69 wrote:

lledwey wrote:Not sure why Dorn is on the list, unless you want to clone his hands or something... He is a skeleton on the Phalanx.

Only got his hands, there was rumour he is leading the custodes.

He's dead

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rogal_Dorn

died on a chaos vessel

Yep. He got cocky and was killed by the Black Legion.

Back to the OP

Guilliman did alright running the whole show once, he'd be a good choice to do it again.

2 things:

A) I can't see the Lords of Terra working well with any primarch that returns
B) A primarch is going to see heresy everywhere in the rise of the Imperial Cult to the current Ecclesiarchy