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Squigsquasher wrote:Outflank has been toned down.

Infiltaration has not.

Genestealers are still viable.

Infiltration has had the same core nerf as out flanking. You can not attack the turn you "arrive". For outflanker it is the no assault from reserve rule, for infiltrators it was the no assault on turn one rule. Both deployments took a hard hit, and now stealers are having to find a new place, with Broodlord support looking to be the new sweet spot.

barnowl wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:Outflank has been toned down.

Infiltaration has not.

Genestealers are still viable.

Infiltration has had the same core nerf as out flanking. You can not attack the turn you "arrive". For outflanker it is the no assault from reserve rule, for infiltrators it was the no assault on turn one rule. Both deployments took a hard hit, and now stealers are having to find a new place, with Broodlord support looking to be the new sweet spot.

You can't assault turn one if you went first. You can if you lost the roll off for first go. So it depends.

tgf wrote:
everyone likes to talk about iron arm or invisibility, but to get invis you have to use swarmlord and be fairly lucky only about a 1/3 chance to get it.

Iron arm is a 1/3 chance as well.

This is incorrect. If you commit all 4 dice to the table you have a 66.67% chance to get your puissance préférée as you re-roll duplicates, so it's actually pretty good odds, and you are almost guarteed to get either invisi or fear/hit yourself/don't move thing. Invisibility is obviously the preferred way to go, but the other power can be a good way to root a unit so Swarmy and his Guard can catch up.

Yeah, its not like Invisibility is the only good power there.

That is one thing I am impressed with. None of the disciplines have any bad powers.

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, its not like Invisibility is the only good power there.

That is one thing I am impressed with. None of the disciplines have any bad powers.

I don't know if I'd go that far. Each discipline has several powers that are decidedly not great depending on the unit that gets it.

undertow wrote:

barnowl wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:Outflank has been toned down.

Infiltaration has not.

Genestealers are still viable.

Infiltration has had the same core nerf as out flanking. You can not attack the turn you "arrive". For outflanker it is the no assault from reserve rule, for infiltrators it was the no assault on turn one rule. Both deployments took a hard hit, and now stealers are having to find a new place, with Broodlord support looking to be the new sweet spot.

You can't assault turn one if you went first. You can if you lost the roll off for first go. So it depends.

I was going to double check this, and realized I had not read the rule myself, nor can I even find it. Someone point out a page for me?