Doom of Mymeara- 2nd edition (aka Codex Corsairs)

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**Red Corsair**

Well if i am playing grav drop pods and they give me first turn I can always start him on the table and enter ongoing reserves guaranteeing my return turn 2 for the counter attack. As an alternate movement mode I don't think it makes much sense however.

**ColdSadHungry**

I think that the skathach wriathknight is a bit of an oddity when you look at how he moves - same with the new wasps movement options - but he does have something that the eldar tend to lack which is ignores cover. Those two hellstorm templates look mighty tasty to me!

I'm just not sure that he's worth the points using that build but he looks so cool!

**DanielBeaver**

iddy00711 wrote:

Yep Hornets still have 5pts pulse lasers

!!!

Wow, I had assumed that was a typo in the last editions. Did starcannons at least get cheaper, or are they still 5pts? (since pulse lasers are strictly better than starcannons)

**iddy00711**

@beaver

There still 5pts.

As I understand it, the S. wraithknight can move out of combat with its stunt move. So you can charge in and then jump back out. Aside from that, theres no real advantage over a standard wraithknight.

**Red Corsair**

Pulse laser should be at least 10 points per if not 15, its absolutely idiotic that they are 5 still. The fact that it is AV11 and closed with outflank AND acute senses is just a slap in the face. I say this as an eldar player btw. I am so sick of seeing dudes use these in EVERY list, I would have let them have a pass if they were corsair list only, but they aren't

**vipoid**

If it's any consolation, I don't think hornets can take 2 Pulse Lasers, at least.

**Red Corsair**

vipoid wrote:
If it's any consolation, I don't think hornets can take 2 Pulse Lasers, at least.

They always could, it would be a note worthy change if now they cannot. From what has been posted they seemed to have stayed the same.

**vipoid**

Red Corsair wrote:
vipoid wrote:
If it's any consolation, I don't think hornets can take 2 Pulse Lasers, at least.

They always could, it would be a note worthy change if now they cannot. From what has been posted they seemed to have stayed the same.

Well, the exact wording is "Any model in the squadron may exchange either or both of its Shuriken Cannons for one of the following:" Emphasis mine.

**Sarigar**

After playing against the new Tau, the WK with Deathshroud Cannon appears to have a LOT of what I will need. The big decision will be to take the Scatterfield/Deathshroud or 2 x Deathshroud. Locally, we generally only allow one SH/GC LoW which makes the Scatterfield a valuable choice. But, even one Deathshroud looks fantastic.

**DanielBeaver**

vipoid wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
vipoid wrote:
If it's any consolation, I don't think hornets can take 2 Pulse Lasers, at least.

They always could, it would be a note worthy change if now they cannot. From what has been posted they seemed to have stayed the same.

Well, the exact wording is "Any model in the squadron may exchange either or both of its Shuriken Cannons for one of the following:" Emphasis mine.

Is that really any different than other stuff is worded? For example, war walkers:

Any model may exchange any shuriken cannon for one of the following:

It's just strange, I can't understand why it's still only 5 pts. As bad as GW is balancing their stuff, they're at least cognizant of the idea that more powerful weapons should cost more. And a Pulse Laser is... clearly more powerful than other weapon choices for the hornet (especially the starcannon, which is strictly inferior).

**DarknessEternal**

Probably because the model required newly designed Pulse Lasers to go with the kit. So they're encouraging people to actually use them.

**vipoid**

DanielBeaver wrote:
vipoid wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
vipoid wrote:
If it's any consolation, I don't think hornets can take 2 Pulse Lasers, at least.

They always could, it would be a note worthy change if now they cannot. From what has been posted they seemed to have stayed the same.

Well, the exact wording is "Any model in the squadron may exchange either or both of its Shuriken Cannons for one of the following:" Emphasis mine.

Is that really any different than other stuff is worded? For example, war walkers:

Any model may exchange any shuriken cannon for one of the following:

It is indeed different, and the difference is very important. With the Hornet wording, you're exchanging both Shuriken Cannons for one Pulse Laser.

DanielBeaver wrote:

It's just strange, I can't understand why it's still only 5 pts. As bad as GW is balancing their stuff, they're at least cognizant of the idea that more powerful weapons should cost more. And a Pulse Laser is... clearly more powerful than other weapon choices for the hornet (especially the starcannon, which is strictly inferior).

It is strange. But then, is it any stranger than single models paying 15pts for haywire grenades, or 20pts for single pistols no one takes even at 15pts?

**Cieged**

vipoid wrote:
Cieged wrote:
I'm still blown away that the Corsair Prince has gone unnoticed.

Mastery level 2 Demon summoner with a Jetbike and a Shadowfield? Puts the old Baron to shame. My Seer Council is going to be brutal.

Would you want him to try and summon demons though?

I mean, you're getting Perils of the Warp on any double, which can:
- Give control of the Prince to your opponent for the rest of the game (which will also give him Slay the Warlord)
- Auto-pin your squad and either nullify whatever power he just cast or have it buff an enemy squad (if helpful) or hurt a friendly squad (if harmful).
- Make your Seer Council and any Corsair units within 6" pass a morale test on 3d6 (keeping the 2 highest), or flee

Regardless, if anything is making Seer Councils silly, it's not a single Jetbike model with a Shadowfield - it's Fortune.

Is there anything forcing the Prince to be your Warlord over alternate HQs?

To my knowledge, Jetbikes can not be pinned.

How does a demon summoning cause buff or debuff to friendly or unfriendly squads?

Any Seer Council worth its' weight is Fearless.

On the Shadowfield point:

Jimsolo wrote:
Fortune plus Shadowfield is BRUTAL. Malefic Daemonology is a trap, though, since the Corsairs can't mitigate Perils.

True, no mitigation means only one shot. However having the option is what's most appealing. I'll take him for the Fortunated Shadowfield, I'll pay the pittance Psyker tax to give me another tool for the belt.

**Jimsolo**

Oh I'm not opposed to paying the minimal cost for another psychic die, for Freakshow casting if nothing else. I think I will stick with Divination, though.

**vipoid**

Cieged wrote:

Is there anything forcing the Prince to be your Warlord over alternate HQs?

Yes - "A Corsair Prince must always be the army's warlord."

(It's on the Corsair Prince page.)

Cieged wrote:

To my knowledge, Jetbikes can not be pinned.

Good point.

Cieged wrote:

How does a demon summoning cause buff or debuff to friendly or unfriendly squads?

Is all Malefic contains? I thought some of the spells did other things?

**DarknessEternal**

I don't understand why the Lynx is a Flyer and has Skyhunter.

**Jimsolo**

Cieged wrote:

How does a demon summoning cause buff or debuff to friendly or unfriendly squads?

I see what you're saying. As the power lacks a target, even if you perils, the opponent can't redirect it. The Daemon(s) will come in regardless of that result. Intriguing.

**vipoid**

Jimsolo wrote:
Cieged wrote:

How does a demon summoning cause buff or debuff to friendly or unfriendly squads?

I see what you're saying. As the power lacks a target, even if you perils, the opponent can't redirect it. The Daemon(s) will come in regardless of that result. Intriguing.

Nope - if no alternate targets are available/possible, your opponent can choose to simply have the power fail.

**Jimsolo**

Ah. Then Bob's your uncle.

**iddy00711**

Ok heres the formations -

Khaines Hawks Squadron (Aux. choice)

2-3 Eldar Nightwings

SR

Aerial Predators - When targeting a zooming flyer each nightwing may choose to add ignores cover SR to one weapon attack per turn.

Orbital Interceptors - If a Khaines Hawks Squadron is in reserves during a game turn in which an enemy flyer is brought in from reserves, the squadrons controlling player may re-roll all attempts to bring the squad into play in their next turn.

Fires of the Phoenix

2 Phoenix bombers

SR
Flaming Pyre
When multiple Phoenix bombers from the same squad make shooting attacks against the same non-flyer unit, the PB may re-roll all failed to hit and to wound rolls of a 1.

Fist of Vauls

2-3 Warp Hunters

SR
Warp breach - Unit forgoes all individual shooting attacks and must all be in line of sight...

2 WH - 72' S D AP2 Ordnance, large blast, Twin-linked

3 WH - 72' S D AP2 Ordnance, 7' blast, Twin-linked

Wasp Phalanx

SR
Cloud Breakers - On the turn the Wasp phalanx deploys via deep strike, it may re-roll failed power field saves and all of its shooting attacks gain the twin-linked and pinning SR.

**zedmeister**

I'll say the cobra has had a nice boost. The fact that it's primary weapon ignores void shields will be a nasty surprised to Titans

**Sarigar**

I got to play a few games with the Fists of Vaul (using 2 Warp Hunters) and the Wraithknight with a Deathshroud Cannon/Scatterfield.

Fists of Vaul. Locally, anything with 'D' associated to it creates a primal dislike towards it. As such, I don't even like to start it on the table and have it come in from Reserve or Outflank (I use Eldrad as my Warlord). To do this, I also have an Autarch. It is a lot of points, but when I'm able to barrage and hit two units causing 12 and 16 hits respectively, it earns instant respect. Also, now it is clear that it counts as S10 for instant death purposes and being a barrage weapon, this is an added bonus. I've found I need to add Ghostwalk Matrix to these tanks as, once again, I immobilized a tank in terrain. Too many points to get handicappe.

The Skathach Wraithknight with Deathshroud Cannon does a LOT of work. Locally, we only allow 1 SH/GC in an army, so I end up taking a Scatterfield as standard. A single Deathshroud draws a LOT of attention as well and you can set up some crazy shots to hit multiple units. I added a single Scatterlaser as well so I can also assault something close. This is a great all purpose model.

There are a lot of great formation options and it is really making me want to take another look at a mechanized list. May not be the most competitive, but Eldar have some amazing vehicle options with the addition of this book.

**TompiQ**

With the Collector of Ancient Treasures trait, how many relics may the prince choose? And how does interact with the list limitations (i.e. "Shadowseer only").

Considering both the Armour of Misery and the Mask of Secrets on a jetbike prince - would it be doable?

**Jimsolo**

From what I've been seeing, people are taking the 'ANY relic' to mean he can take them regardless of normal restrictions to Shadowseer/Farseer/ what have you. (Nearly a third of his choices would be unavailable otherwise.)

He can only take a single item, though. That seems pretty straightforward.

**Deris87**

Would anyone mind sharing the details on the Cobra? I'm hoping to use mine for the first time since 5th edition next weekend, but my book won't arrive by then. I've seen mention it's still only a 7'' blast, but got it's Ignore Void Shields ability back. Did the range change again? Did it's points change from what it was?

**Goobi2**

When did the Cobra lose ignoring Void Shields? Because that was still in as of IA Apoc 2nd ed. Which is pretty much the same as now, just swapping titan holofields for a 4++.

Edit: The Phantom DID lose that ability, and while he still doesnt have it he can get around it a little against certain types of void shields.

**Deris87**

I misremembered, it lost it's d3 structure point ability and instead picked up a really crap "Distort Rift" rule. I was hoping that maybe it has something more like the D-bombard's Spatial Rift that people have mentioned--that's a pretty cool and useful rule.

**Cieged**

vipoid wrote:
Cieged wrote:

Is there anything forcing the Prince to be your Warlord over alternate HQs?

Yes - "A Corsair Prince must always be the army's warlord."

(It's on the Corsair Prince page.)

Ooph, that's a pretty massive liability then you're right.

vipoid wrote:
Jimsolo wrote:
Cieged wrote:

How does a demon summoning cause buff or debuff to friendly or unfriendly squads?

I see what you're saying. As the power lacks a target, even if you perils, the opponent can't redirect it. The Daemon(s) will come in regardless of that result. Intriguing.

Nope - if no alternate targets are available/possible, your opponent can choose to simply have the power fail.

Missed that. My Demon Summoning dreams are washing away...

Perhaps someone can clear something up for me then; what is the value of the Skatatch Wraithknight movement? I keep rereading it and don't understand what the purpose is.

Multiple moves? Teleport out of Combat? Nothing but flavor?

**Red Corsair**

So I have a question, what are the regular troops like (reavers?)? Are they basically 5 man venom teams that have access to two special weapons (fusion blasters) while the venom can take shuriken canons, if so I see no point in fielding my kabalites anymore lol. I sincerely hope they are a bit pricey?

**vipoid**

Red Corsair wrote:
So I have a question, what are the regular troops like (reavers?)? Are they basically 5 man venom teams that have access to two special weapons (fusion blasters) while the venom can take shuriken canons, if so I see no point in fielding my kabalites anymore lol. I sincerely hope they are a bit pricey?

Reavers have the same stats as Kabalites, except that they have -3Ld when regrouping, and their sergeants are WS5 (and cost just 5pts). They cost 2pts more, and lack Night Vision and PfP. Instead, they have:
- Reckless Abandon
- Shadowwave (defensive) grenades
- Plasma Grenades

The squad can mix their weapons freely between lasblasters, shuriken catapults (useless), splinter rifles or a Brace of Pistols and CCW (the former counts as 2 shuriken pistols and 2 splinter pistols).
2 models per 5 can replace their weapon with a blaster, fusion gun, flamer or shredder. They pay 10pts for blasters, rather than 15.
Each model can take a Jet Pack for the price of a melta bomb, which also grants them a 4+ save.
The squad can take Haywire Grenades for 5 melta bombs.

Five-man squads can take a venom, 6-man squads can take a Falcon.

Corsair Venoms are 5pts cheaper than DE ones and come with a Splinter Cannon and Lasblaster. Importantly, they lack Flickerfields and Deep Strike, but do have Scout.
- The Lasblaster can be exchanged for a splinter rifle or shuriken catapult (no cost), for a splinter cannon (costs 2 melta bombs) or for a shuriken cannon (costs 4 melta bombs)
- The shuriken cannon can be exchanged for a splinter cannon or scatter laser (no cost).
- It can get Deep Strike for the price of 1 melta bomb.
- For 3 melta bombs, it can get a 5++ against shooting that only works if it moved at least 6". If it moves flat-out or deep-strikes, the save becomes 4++. Also, the save is rerollable on the turn it deep strikes.

My DE warriors are dead to me.