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BrianDavion wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

pm713 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Rune priests are psykers. At the end of the day they can still use biomancy etc. I think that some people still have the right idea though, with enough will power the warp will bend and create a manifestation of that will power. For example there's a bit in the War of the Fang in which a rune priest is creating a storm and it suddenly gets stronger as he gets angrier, but he claims this is Fenris being enraged by invaders. Reminds me of orks a bit.

thing is it's stated repeatedly that in 40k primitive sorcery is what many primitive ill informed socities intrepret as psykic powers. rune preists are differant only in that any other society doing this crap would have received a nasty visit from the inqusition by now.

That's not really true. The fenrisians are watched and if there's any kind of heresy they get an unfriendly reminder of who rules the planet.

They already gave the Ecclisiarchy a good whooping for calling them heretics in "The Months of Shame"

That was the Ordo Malleus and Grey Knights. And was not about someone calling them heretics.

Was there not an investigation into the wolves because of their "false gods"? (morkai, allfather)

the allfather is just their name for the Emperor.

Oh, I know it's just that you probably know how touchy the inquisition can get. "An imperial citizen didn't attend morning prayer to the glorious God Emperor of Mankind? EXTERMINATUS!" Point is is that even calling him by a different name is enough to get in trouble.

no it's not. the worship of the emperor is incrediably varied, and always has been described as being varied. now cults to the emperor that diverge sharply from the local norm are gonna be looked at. but the use of the term "all father" isn't gonna be thought of as that odd at all

Remember when all of the Steel Legionaries got sterilized and put in working camps till their death because they saw daemons? The inquisition is very touchy.

The Emperor being worshipped by different names is allowed, however. That comes under the jurisdiction of the Ecclesiarchy, who have chosen to pursue a method of subtle conversion rather than outright flames.

See, the secret to being converted to the Imperial Creed isn't that you cast aside your old gods and worship only the Emperor: It's that your old gods are simply different faces of the Emperor, whose true identity you now know.

That's why the Tanith swear by Feth, that's why the AdMech worship the Omnissiah (at least the Old Wayers) and that's why the Fenrisians can worship the Allfather.

Space Wolves worship the Allfather because they did so before they became Space Wolves. That they know the Emperor is a man does not change their inherent beliefs.

That said, Fenrisian paganism has been one of the few examples specifically called out by the Ecclesiarchy, even if the preacher who called for the investigation did later turn out to be a traitor himself.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

That said, Fenrisian paganism has been one of the few examples specifically called out by the Ecclesiarchy, even if the preacher who called for the investigation did later turn out to be a traitor himself.

That's what I was referring to.

pm713 wrote:

Engrenages wrote:

 NightHowler wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The problem with that, 713, is that it's watched by the Space Wolves, not the Inquisition. The Space Wolves who also hold to the heretical worship of Morkai, etc.

Except space wolves don't worship morkai. They don't ask morkai to bless their meals or curse their enemies.

Another thing to keep in mind is that while the wolves may have hated the way the Thousand Sons used the warp the wolves knew it was not their place to judge them. The executioner doesn't sit on the jury - he just does what he's told. Horus told Russ to execute and even then Russ tried to tell Magnus that he was going to take him to Tera. The rage and the hate directed at the wolves is misdirected. It should be pointed at Horus, but it never is.

So yes, the wolves use psychic powers. AND yes, they feel that they are different in that they harness the energy of fenris. Maybe the difference is semantic, maybe it's not. Either way, in 10,000 years the chapter has not fallen to chaos.

Actually the Space Wolves were accusers in the Nikaea Council. One of their Rune Priests testified against the Thousand Sons. And yes they did judge them. Russ is pretty much using his whole "screentime" in Prospero Burns telling people how foolish Magnus and his sons are. And his rune priests are screaming Maleficarum every page or so.

Weren't the Thousand Sons summoning daemons?

I would buy that as a legitimate excuse... if:
a) the Rune Priests took the centrist position at Nikaea that the White Scars and Blood Angels took to not ban Librarians, only sorcery... OR

b) the Rune Priests advocated that the Stormseers of the White Scars and technomancers of the Iron Hands not be banned as well, since they are also channeling the Warp through a cultural lens. In fact, the Stormseers, psykers who can channel their planet's World Spirit, i.e. their planet's dead, are what the Rune Priests claim to be.

But nope, Aun Helwintr, representative of the Rune Priests, argued that only the Space Wolves should be allowed to have battle psykers, because they're special snowflakes.

Hi, please don't necro five year old threads.