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Grimlineman wrote:
I’m sure there must be plenty who love it but why? I love painting first and playing games second but assembling models just seem like a weird puzzle with instructions. I don’t enjoy this. Plus I’m not a delicate person and always break something from applying to much pressure unintentionally. I would prefer models come mostly assembled with extra bits to customize. What satisfaction is there In gluing sprue piece 3 to sprue piece 28 per instructions?


HAAAAAA! I hate it. Currently procrastinating on a bunch of adepta sororitas that are beautiful but also the tiniest fiddliest little models ive ever attempted to assemble and the most expensive.
   
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Although it's annoying to assemble a bunch of similar infantry, it's much more annoying to paint them IMO, if only because it takes so much longer. At least the assembly part you have a chance to make some decisions about each model. Once you get to painting, unless you're doing something really unique, every model is going to get the same scheme so it becomes just about execution.

   
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It isn't my favorite thing to do, but I'm pretty fascinated how they continue to find more and more clever ways to cut these models into their components and still have it all come together.

   
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Quasistellar wrote:

Two of my favorite kits are Leviathan and Contemptor dreadnoughts. I know some people just cannot deal with resin, but these kits have customizability that allows amazing poses, and with fewer pieces than plastic. Only trouble is mould slips (due to FW's absolutely shameful quality control) and having to pin and use super glue or epoxy (which I recommend!). Pinning resin is super-duper easy, though, as it's really easy to drill. Google search an Iron Hands Leviathan and see what I mean about posing. One of the first images that pops up for me is one with a grav flux bombard and siege drill running forward. Whoever did that must have felt immensely satisfied when finished! And it's not even that hard with those kits compared to plastic.


The Leviathan is a lovely kit, and I had zero issues with the casting quality. Maybe I'm just lucky, because I recently assembled a Drukhari Reaper, and had no quality/casting issues with that either.

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It's just totally hit and miss with FW. That's the problem with bad QC. It doesn't mean it's always bad, it just means the bad results creep through.

FWIW, in my personal experience they have gotten a bit better about it than they used to be, and FW is definitely better than the few failcast kits GW proper still makes. Those are just atrocious when it comes to quality control.
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:
It's just totally hit and miss with FW. That's the problem with bad QC. It doesn't mean it's always bad, it just means the bad results creep through.

FWIW, in my personal experience they have gotten a bit better about it than they used to be, and FW is definitely better than the few failcast kits GW proper still makes. Those are just atrocious when it comes to quality control.


I wish I had never had to deal with failcast. Unfortunately, my favorite character in 40k is Eisenhorn, and his miniature is failcast. Went through two returns to finally get a torso that wasn't so full of bubbles that the detail wasn't destroyed.
   
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I bit the bullet and ordered some Lernaen terminators the other day, I guess I'll find out next week whether I was right to say they're getting better about QC.

   
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For me, I enjoy assembling more than I enjoy painting. I find converting / kitbashing a lot easier and rewarding than painting.

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I used to when I was a teenager, and a unit of ten took 15-30 minutes. Now that time is in short supply and a unit of ten takes more like an hour or two, I just find it a chore.

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What I hate is when you have to glue a tiny piece, 1-2mm in size, to much bigger piece. I always use too much glue, sometimes the tiny piece falls down, and is lost. GW could have easily made that one piece.
   
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Depends on the models but generally I enjoy building. It only gets bad when there's a massive quantity or the parts are a pain to clean. Right now I'm doing 20 mkiv assault marines and the jump packs are a nightmare. Resin tanks are also fun until they don't fit together.
   
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AdmiralHalsey wrote:
This is why we can't have nice things, and monopose plastics are on there way back in.


So? I still know my way around a hobby knife, glue, putty, etc. Don't you?
Besides, mono-pose plastic is MUCH easier to convert than mono-pose "white" metal....
   
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My 40K enjoyment hierarchy is playing, building, and, lastly, painting.

I really like putting personal touches on the models. Not even major kit-bashing, but simple pose alterations and choices of bit placement.

Painting is the one that gets tedious for me. I love the sense of accomplishment that comes with finishing a paint job, but I am a pretty slow painter so it can be a bit of a slog for me.
   
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Yes. Less so with some of the more modern GW kits (though they are a whole 'nother puzzle, which leads into my next point) as they are somewhat less freeform than older kits, but there is a new challenge in seeing how they can be cut for kitbashing purposes.

Bashing seemingly random things together and seeing how they can connect is like one of the greatest joys of this hobby. Sometimes, simply holding a piece in a different way than it should be opens up a whole host of possibilities for assembly you may have never thought of.


Though, as an aside- I am truly puzzled by these types of threads (there have been similar ones on painting in the past). So many people come out of the woodwork to say they don't like painting, they don't like building. Guys- hate to break it to you, but you are in the wrong hobby. There are plenty of board games out there if you only like the playing aspect.



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 Grimtuff wrote:



Though, as an aside- I am truly puzzled by these types of threads (there have been similar ones on painting in the past). So many people come out of the woodwork to say they don't like painting, they don't like building. Guys- hate to break it to you, but you are in the wrong hobby. There are plenty of board games out there if you only like the playing aspect.


I like the painting and playing/lore . Just not a fan of building.Dont absolutely hate it but liken it to the equivalent of buying a new peace of furniture and getting it home out of the box to see I have to follow 4 page step set up before I can sit on my new couch.

And I get the customization aspect of building but a lot of models come where you build them one way these days. Just think maybe there should be a little less hand holding/more ways to build.But as others have pointed out where there is a will there is a way.
Guess I’m just getting old and I work construction for a living so building is just not as enjoyable. Especially the little tid-bits that l drop and have to hunt on the floor for 30 minutes or break trying to get it into position.
   
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I enjoy assembling and painting the models more than the playing of games with them.

But I'm a maker, a builder, and not so much a gamer. I've been building models since I was a pre-teen, and gaming since my late teens (40k didn't become a thing with RT until I was 19).

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
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For me, it depends heavily on the model.

I don't think there's a single Necron kit that I've enjoyed putting together, though I think the worst so far have been Wraiths. There are just so many tiny bits that need to all be glued on separately, and most of those first need to be assembled from 2-3 other bits.

On the other hand, I've greatly enjoyed not just assembling other kits but converting them to suit my taste and needs. I've taken great joy in putting together strange, new creations from my treasured boxes of bits. Sometimes because I want a model for a specific theme or to save me buying something new, but sometimes just for the sheer hell of it. There are many minor creations that I've no doubt forgotten about, and some still languishing unfinished, but there are also some conversions that I now treasure among my favourite models.


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Grimlineman wrote:
I’m sure there must be plenty who love it but why? I love painting first and playing games second but assembling models just seem like a weird puzzle with instructions. I don’t enjoy this. Plus I’m not a delicate person and always break something from applying to much pressure unintentionally. I would prefer models come mostly assembled with extra bits to customize. What satisfaction is there In gluing sprue piece 3 to sprue piece 28 per instructions?


Ha i have the excact opposite, i dislike painting (unless i have inspiration) unlike building, i could build for days, especially if my bitz box would be deeper, but then again i play(ed) factions that lend themselves to kitbashing, 3rd parties and everyhing in between.

Some of my personal highlights include:

An Abbadon into a version of my fav chaos lord.
Spoiler:


A chaos lord into a specifc kind of themed Necro CSM.
Spoiler:


A count as Daemonprince engine:
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Count as Stalkleman russ tanks amiriger conversions aswell as a daemonegnified Basilisk:
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Meanwhile my painting skill often limits the capability of what i want to look them like so i kinda have to compensate with my building skill.
That and a at times tight portmonnaie lead inevitably to some happy kitbashing and repurposing.

At the moment i am contemplating to use corpsegrinders with Tempestus to kitbash some elite formations with left over 3rd party bits...


Just wanted to say these are all fantastic.

Oddly, that Daemon-Engine-Prince really reminds me of something but I can't think what.

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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 Grimtuff wrote:



Though, as an aside- I am truly puzzled by these types of threads (there have been similar ones on painting in the past). So many people come out of the woodwork to say they don't like painting, they don't like building. Guys- hate to break it to you, but you are in the wrong hobby. There are plenty of board games out there if you only like the playing aspect.


Can we not go there?

Just because someone doesn't enjoy 100% of all the potential hobbies involved in a GW game doesn't mean they have to be gatekept out of the ones they like.

You enjoy painting? Great. Not everyone does. That's also fine.
You enjoy assembling? Great. Not everyone does. That's also fine.
You enjoy playing? Great. Not everyone does. That's also fine.

People saying they don't like one of the GW hobbies that you do isn't an attack on you. It's them stating their preference.



   
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Grimlineman wrote:
I’m sure there must be plenty who love it but why? I love painting first and playing games second but assembling models just seem like a weird puzzle with instructions. I don’t enjoy this. Plus I’m not a delicate person and always break something from applying to much pressure unintentionally. I would prefer models come mostly assembled with extra bits to customize. What satisfaction is there In gluing sprue piece 3 to sprue piece 28 per instructions?


I like assembling models way more than painting them, actually. Building things is fun, and seeing it come together....

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 Grimtuff wrote:

Though, as an aside- I am truly puzzled by these types of threads (there have been similar ones on painting in the past). So many people come out of the woodwork to say they don't like painting, they don't like building. Guys- hate to break it to you, but you are in the wrong hobby. There are plenty of board games out there if you only like the playing aspect.


Leaving people alone and letting them do whatever they want is not enough, they insist that you must celebrate the way they do things. Not doing the hobby is now as good as doing it and you better be on board. And if you decide to criticize or alienate your game time because I do something you don't care for then you and your standards are toxic!

I'd like to know why people who hate building would spend time building models. If the reason is so you can play the game, implying that others wouldn't play with you because you have blank bases then why is it worse to avoid playing people with unpainted armies? Seems like people who hate painting get a pass while everyone is expected to build.
   
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 Irkjoe wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:

Though, as an aside- I am truly puzzled by these types of threads (there have been similar ones on painting in the past). So many people come out of the woodwork to say they don't like painting, they don't like building. Guys- hate to break it to you, but you are in the wrong hobby. There are plenty of board games out there if you only like the playing aspect.


Leaving people alone and letting them do whatever they want is not enough, they insist that you must celebrate the way they do things. Not doing the hobby is now as good as doing it and you better be on board. And if you decide to criticize or alienate your game time because I do something you don't care for then you and your standards are toxic!

I'd like to know why people who hate building would spend time building models. If the reason is so you can play the game, implying that others wouldn't play with you because you have blank bases then why is it worse to avoid playing people with unpainted armies? Seems like people who hate painting get a pass while everyone is expected to build.


No one is insisting that anyone celebrate not liking to build models or paint. What people are asking is that if someone doesn't like an aspect of the hobby, but do others, don't berate them over it.
The difference between paint and assembly is that game state currently requires a model's outline for things like LoS and such. Paint doesn't have a similar effect. You could probably get a similar effect to assembled by using cardboard standees on bases, and 3rd ed definitely could have been run with just a model name painted on a base.
I should also point out that many of the people in this thread, and several of the paint threads said they painted anyway. They just didn't like doing it.

At the end of the day, no one is making you play someone who doesn't meet your standards. But them not meeting it isn't a reason the gatekeep the various hobbies. Just say you prefer to play against painted, or assembled models, and leave it at that. Either they chose to meet your standards and game on, or they find someone who doesn't require it, and that's that.
   
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If there was as large a group of people who hate building models and just want to play with empty bases as there was a group that likes to play with unpainted models, I'm sure such people would do that.

Said as someone who hates playing against the grey tide, btw.
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:
If there was as large a group of people who hate building models and just want to play with empty bases as there was a group that likes to play with unpainted models, I'm sure such people would do that.

Said as someone who hates playing against the grey tide, btw.


I wouldn't be surprised if several such groups existed. While I wouldn't play them, I'm not going to stop them either.
   
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There's a world of difference between "ok, that dude's grey, but I can still tell what gun he's carrying" and "what in the absolute feth, how am I supposed to tell if that's a unit of Bloodletters or Plaguebearers?!"

Plus, I find it very telling as to enjoyment of various aspects of the hobby, that you'll struggle to make a living just building other players' models on commission. But there are tons of commission painters out there.

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I am not a fan of building models myself. I treat is as a necessary evil to get to the painting part, which in tun, gets me to the spectacle part. Part of the reason my first miniatures wargame was Dust Warfare was in part due to no building and priming of models.

From painting Dust models and various board game miniatures, I came to enjoy painting miniatures. However, the visual spectacle of the miniatures and a table full of nice terrain is the biggest draw to me. The gaming part is more about socializing and hopefully telling a story by the way the game unfolds and less about the thrill of competition. Though, I do try to play the game well once the forces have taken the field. All of which I find well worth some aspects that I haven't found as appealing.

Even now, I am starting a Lumineth Realm-Lords army. I have about 2/3 of already and pre-ordered the rest earlier today when I picked up my first pre-order stuff. So far I have built two of the Endless Spells while waiting on the glue to dry on the twin crystals to fill most of the seem between the two pieces. I also have started 3 of the spearmen. If I am really full of gumption, I might finish all the spearmen tomorrow and maybe the sad aelf wizard lady. I kinda doubt that though. I also doubt I will finish building the 20 archers I also have, and I don't even think I will have opened the box on Teclis by next weekend. I build slow because it really isn't something I enjoy particularly mold line cleaning. So I take my time to make sure I don't miss anything in a rush to get to painting. It has become especially slow as I don't know the next time will get in a game or see someone else's army in person.

Funny thing is if I think a model needs some converting, I will still do some. I made sure all my Indomitus marines were just a little differently posed to each other. I also went to great lengths to make sure my 40 Chaos Warriors all had a little bit of individual flair to include switching a bunch of left handed weapons to the right hand. For me the final product is worth a little bit of (for lack of a better word) annoyance.

   
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 Super Ready wrote:
There's a world of difference between "ok, that dude's grey, but I can still tell what gun he's carrying" and "what in the absolute feth, how am I supposed to tell if that's a unit of Bloodletters or Plaguebearers?!"

Plus, I find it very telling as to enjoyment of various aspects of the hobby, that you'll struggle to make a living just building other players' models on commission. But there are tons of commission painters out there.


That's because assembling models is 10x as fast as painting them. You can assemble a 2000 point army in a handful of hours. It doesn't make much sense to pay someone else to assemble your models unless you are physically incapable of doing it yourself, which only describes a very small minority of people in the hobby. But painting? That takes dozens or hundreds of hours to paint a 2k army to a high standard, even if you are an accomplished painter; for a lot of people, it just isn't possible period, so if they want a really pretty army, the only option is to pay someone else to do it for them.

I don't think that means people necessarily enjoy assembling more than painting, it just means the one is way quicker than the other.
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:
 Super Ready wrote:
There's a world of difference between "ok, that dude's grey, but I can still tell what gun he's carrying" and "what in the absolute feth, how am I supposed to tell if that's a unit of Bloodletters or Plaguebearers?!"

Plus, I find it very telling as to enjoyment of various aspects of the hobby, that you'll struggle to make a living just building other players' models on commission. But there are tons of commission painters out there.


That's because assembling models is 10x as fast as painting them. You can assemble a 2000 point army in a handful of hours. It doesn't make much sense to pay someone else to assemble your models unless you are physically incapable of doing it yourself, which only describes a very small minority of people in the hobby. But painting? That takes dozens or hundreds of hours to paint a 2k army to a high standard, even if you are an accomplished painter; for a lot of people, it just isn't possible period, so if they want a really pretty army, the only option is to pay someone else to do it for them.

I don't think that means people necessarily enjoy assembling more than painting, it just means the one is way quicker than the other.


Actually speed for assembly depends on skill. Mould line removal, gap filling, seamless joins etc... can take more time then one thinks. Though a high quality assembly will typically take less time than high quality painting.

That said I'd also say its because building is a skill that is easier to learn than painting. It requires less fine hand eye control; the mechanics of it are more readily apparent and instant (sometimes with painting you won't see the result until its properly dry etc...). Painting is also a more complex and detailed skill to self learn with a lot more conflicting theories and approaches and a vast array of paints and tools. For assembly a simple good blade and glue and filler can get you there and whilst there is some methodology debate its simpler and less detaile.d

   
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Assembling and converting is my favorite part of the hobby I think. There's nothing more convenient than a full bits box and throwing together your own models. GW gives you mere templates, the fun of the hobby is to make your own dudes out of them. Basically I started 40K because of that, as in lotr you only had monopose models (everybody still converts these, of course).
It's a bad development that GW forces 40K towards monopose as well, with the way the sprues are made it's not as easy as before to swap body parts, weapons etc. At least everything is plastic today so cutting is not an issue as with metal models.
   
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I love building almost as much as playing. I don't like painting that much, because I have little time for doing so and I'm pretty demanding with myself...

One of the reasons I picked Dark Eldar was the easy to convert and mix and match parts of the kits, it's one of the things I like the most about the faction.



 
   
 
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