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Hi everyone, trying to make a 1000 point all takers list of necrons but I'm struggling with trying to fit ieverything that I need
need. Here is what I have so far:

HQ
Destroyer Lord
-Mindshackle Scarabs
-Sempiternal weave
= 160

Troops
6 Necron Warriors
-Night Scythe
=178

6 Necron Warriors
-Night Scythe
=178

Elites
5 Deathmarks
-Night Scythe
=195

5 Deathmarks
-Night Scythe
=195

Fast Attack
2 Canoptek Wraithes
-X2 Whip Coils
=90

Total = 996

Would this be sufficient? I tried fitting in an Overlord to add Crypteks to my units but I couldn't find the points to do so.

Well, Deathmarks are not must have units.
I'd replace one Deathmark unit by a Warrior unit in a Night Scythe and spend the remaining points to add an Annihilation Barge and to beef up the Wraiths to 5 or 6 models; the whip coils are not really required.

In sort no you don't have enough. DLord and Wraiths is a good unit. But 2 Wraiths is not enough you need at least 4 to make the unit worth it. Likewise Deathmarks are pretty mediocre without a despairtek.

So it looks like Cronair. So you need something tough on the board and you need a hammer unit or two. So your options are Barges or Wraiths on the board and deathmarks or Wraiths for hammer. So here's 2 ideals:

Dlord: 160

Warriors: Nightscythe 165
Warriors: Nightscythe 165
Warriors: Nightscythe 165

4 Wraiths: 2 coils 160

Annihilation Barge 90
Annihilation Barge 90

Or

Overlord: WS, Weave, Resorb, MSS, CCB 240

Warriors: Stormtek, Nightscythe 190
Warriors: Nightscythe 165

Deathmarks: Despairtek, Nightscythe 225

Annihilation Barge 90
Annihilation Barge 90

Thanks guys I was going to replace the Deathmarks BUT I had replaced it with one unit Immortals and two Annihilation Barges, ditching the Whip Coils on the Wraiths. Would this be viable? Or are Whip Coils necessary?

As I decided on two Annihilation Barges, is it Tesla or Gauss that is preferred as the secondary gun? My only concern is a lack of range Ap3 in the army, which the Barge can bring.

Coils aren't necessary more bodies are. Barges should take Tesla as it fits the main gun purpose (lots of high strength hits even when snap firing).

Why would you desperately need Ap3 at range? Kill marines with volume of fire or CC.

Haha I thought I might need it since meta is quite Marine heavy.

Same stance for Terminators? Bring them down with volume of fire?

Largely depending on the type of Terminators. Hammernators require volume fire. Normal Terminators can be dealt with using either the Wraiths or Deathmarks (depending on list). The Annibarges should take down a Terminator or two a turn for instance.

If you're running a D Lord, you're gonna need more Wraiths, as others have said. Ditch the second Deathmark unit + scythe, and that should give you more points to beef up the Wraith unit.
Whipcoils are fantastic, but you only need one per every three Wraiths. That's only, of course, if you have the points to spare.
Meantime, you're gonna need more warriors per squad. 6 of them won't last long, especially if you're up against Marines, and your opponent(s) decide to concentrate fire on your troops. Either that, or replace your Warriors with Tesla Immortals.

Oh right ok Dr. Temujin. Would units of five Immortals cut it? If so would it be Ok to replace an Annihilation Barge with points for Immortals and 5 wraiths, leaving 20 left over for whip coils? Or are Annihilation Barges too good and try and find points elsewhere?

As it stands I've got 3 units of 5 Warriors in Night Scythes, two Barges and a Destroyer Lord with 4 Wraiths and two whip coils, coming to 995. Trying to juggle things around to increase unit size elsewhere.

That sounds good to me. The trick with the warriors is to maje your opponent not want to shoot them by doing damage and pressing with other threats. 3 Flyers, Wraiths and Dlord plus a pair of Barges should be enough at 1k against most lists.

I'll play test the Immortal/Warrior lists and see what I like best. Thank you all gor helping me


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Questions, would it be ideal to replace one Scythe with a third barge and another Wraith with the troops?

Do not drop the number of Wraiths below 4 (preferably 5+).

Nightscythes are basically flying Annihilation Barges that are capable of dropping off troops. Which do you think would work better for your list?

Also, regarding Warriors versus Immortals, it only matters if you're planning on having them get out of their ride early. In 6th most people preferred to keep them inside until turn 5, at which point they only jump out to claim objectives. Now with maelstrom you may need them out earlier. If you think they're going to be under heavy fire between the time they hop out and the time they jump back in, okay, Immortals. If you think they should be fine, leave them as Warriors.

My current list has dropped a Night Scythe and instead taken another Barge (3 now) and has a fifth wraith in, with a particular Blaster taking up the last five points.

The Necron FAQ states nothing about passengers embarking on a Night Scythe, only disembarking, so as a result of this I've gone with Immortals.

But how effective are Stormteks? It seems to me I lack a reliable way to deal with Av 13/14 (aside the Lord and Wraiths which could get shot down).

Frozocrone wrote:
The Necron FAQ states nothing about passengers embarking on a Night Scythe

Yeah, there's a lot of things those idiots forgot to re-include in the "new" FAQ that was present in the old one.

But how effective are Stormteks?

So effective. Possibly the most effective anti-armor option we have. A single one of them can usually take out any vehicle in the game. Two of them will all but guarantee dead landraiders.
People tend to stick them in Nightscythes with MSU Warriors to pop tanks. If you really want to be cheeky, you throw two of them together with a Veil-tek so you can take out your opponent's best vehicle on turn 1.

My first good 1000pt list was this:

Overlord with warscythe, sempiternal weave and res orb (goes with immortals)
Despair cryptek with veil of darkness (goes with one 10 warrior squad)

Troops:

2x squads of ten warriors
10 immortals

Elite:
5 lychguard with shields

Fast attack:

6 scarabs (i sometimes put these with cryptek against enemies with heavy armour)

This was my early 6th ed list, I doubt it'd work much in 7th though.


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Forgot to say, add a night scythe onto the immortals squad

Da Stormlord wrote:
6 scarabs (i sometimes put these with cryptek against enemies with heavy armour)

Royal Court members can not join Scarabs.

I wouldn't see much point in fielding a Cryptek with Scarabs, since Scarabs are Beasts and therefore outrun the Cryptek (not to mention skoff's point anyway).

I'm thinking of taking out the third AB and sticking that last Wraith in, removing the Particle Blaster which gives me 60 points to play with.

Would a Canoptek Spyder with a Fabricator Claw be ideal to take up the last 60 points to keep the AB healthy? Or are they not worth it without Scarabs?

What else could be used for the last 60 points if I went this route?

Spyders are good, but it's usually better to have more than one (or if they're on fix-it duty, to have more than one vehicle for them to repair).

Personally, I'd pump as much resources into getting that Wraith unit up to a more survivable number.
Can you post an updated version of your list, so we can see what you've got going on now?

Yeah sure;

HQ
Destroyer Lord
-Mindshackle Scarabs
-Sepiternal Weave

160

Troops
5 Immortals (Tesla)
-Nightscythe

185

5 Immortals (Tesla)
-Nightscythe

185

FastAttack
5 Canoptek Wraithes
- 2 Whip Coils
- 1 Particle Caster

200

Heavy Support
3x Annihilation Barge

270


Was thinking of replacing an AB with that last Wraith to boost numbers and remove the Particle Caster (it's currently making up the final 5 points) but going this route I'm unsure how to spend the last 60 points..

Nah, 5 Wraiths are perfectly survivable, especially in a low point game.
Though, if you're playing maelstrom, 3 Tomb Blades wouldn't be a bad use of 60 points (excellent objective grabbers).
If it were possible to free up an additional 15 points, 5 Scarabs might be a worthwhile investment, too (you could do with some more anti-vehicle/tarpit units).
Either way, list is looking pretty decent, now.

Hmm, well dropping the Barge, I could either stick at five Wraiths and have about six Scarabs in, drop the Sepiternal Weave on the Destroyer Lord to make the 75 points, or keep the six Wraiths and Weave and instead change Immortals to Warriors, spending the remaining points on six Scarab bases and a third Whip Coil on the Wraiths, thoughts?

EDIT: Going with six Scarab bases, I could have two units of three to target two vehicles a turn, is this ideal? Or do they need to be large units? I've never used Scarabs

Do NOT drop the Weave!!!
Always have Scarabs at 5+ bases (they're too easy to wipe out, otherwise)

Drop the warriors in night scythes and replace with as much immortals possible

Da Stormlord wrote:
Drop the warriors in night scythes and replace with as much immortals possible

... what are you even talking about?

Da Stormlord wrote:
Drop the warriors in night scythes and replace with as much immortals possible

You've probably read the first list - I have already replaced them with Immortals as shown in the third list down (with five Wraiths)

Skoffs - was thinking of five Wraiths and five Scarabs with four whipcoils or five Wraiths and six Scarabs with two whipcoils and a particle Caster (filling last five points) thoughts on which set up to go for?

5 Wraiths (2x WC, 1x PC) + 6 Scarabs, for sure.
You'd never need 4 Whip Coils in a Wraith unit. 3 would be max if you had six Wraiths, 2 is fine (you just keep those guys in the middle of the unit when advancing up the table so they can't get shot, then after overwatch, place them in base contact on either side of the Destroyer Lord... just make sure he still has his Mindshackle Scarabs and Sepiternal Weave, though. He'll die pretty fast without both of them. And don't forget to use Wraiths to Look Out Sir for him when AP2/1 attacks come his way).