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Bit of background first:

Today I was waiting to get a train across country, only to find that it was delayed. The delay was because some was killed, jumping in front of the train. I ended up waiting for almost 40 mins before the trains could begin service again, and even then it wasn't my original train I ended up getting. I then proceeded to put on Facebook the pillowing post "Can't people not get hit by trains, really inconvenient." This generated a bunch of comments from my friends and family about being mean and needing to take it down.

I proceeded to explain I feel sorry for the dead person's family, I feel sorry for the driver and all those who witnessed the incident. I even feel sorry for that person as they obviously had issues. What I have a problem with is that this person decided to kill themselves in a way that I see as selfish, having a massive knock on effect across the country, from all trains heading out of London. There were delays causing people to be late home, or wherever they needed to be. There are plenty of less selfish ways to carry this out without disrupting the lives of hundreds, if not thousands (possible exaggeration) of lives.

What do you guys think, am I too harsh?

It's harsh, but it has truth to it.

Considering someone is dead complaining about being late seems a bit crass.

True.
The fact that there are people who commit suicide is extremely sad, but there are plenty of other ways to commit suicide that do not disrupt the lives of others so much. Apart from causing people to miss important things in their lives and making them wait for hours, there is also the train driver who is now likely traumatised for live, as may people travelling on that train be.

It's the train driver I feel sorry for. If you have to commit suicide don't make someone else kill you to do the job.

Nope... not harsh.

I have no empathy for those who chose to kill themselves.

Hey, just be glad you don't live in Tokyo or other main train stations in Japan where suicides by jumping in front of trains are pretty common. There they don't even really care about the dead people. they're often more concerned about staying on schedule.

In any case, I think complaining about it in such a manner seems rather pointless given that in the grand scheme of things I don't think being late a half-hour to an hour late is as impactful as the suicide itself.

No, you're not.

Someone wanted to kill him/herself, and decided he/she had to traumatise large groups of people with it, and delay the traffic.

That's just selfish.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
It's the train driver I feel sorry for. If you have to commit suicide don't make someone else kill you to do the job.

And thats where I agree most.

I mean.... really people. I understand you want to die but why make someone else do it?

If I was going to kill myself, I'd probably pick the way that would be the most messy and inconvenient way possible so I empathize with this guy.

Feel upset as you like, and if others don't appreciate it then it's too bad for them. I personally support the right to suicide, but doing this is destructive and selfish.

While I probably would not have posted it on Facebook I am inclined to agree with you.

I recall a Dutch radio commercial, which told people to not walk on rails, since it caused delays.
It then explained how badly traffic delays can impact people's lives.

I don't have any problem with that people want to commit suicide.
I do have a problem when people commit suicide and cause trouble for a lot of people by doing so.

I agree with you 100%.. having been trapped on more tube trains than I care to remember because of 'Suicide Delays', it makes me wish that people would just do it how it's supposed to be done. Quietly, and in private...

Ouze wrote:
If I was going to kill myself, I'd probably pick the way that would be the most messy and inconvenient way possible so I empathize with this guy.

This, and i voted NO btw.

If you're in that state of mind, anything will probably be feasible.

Why should you care that somebody wants to kill themself who is nothing to do with you? Just like the other million people who have been dying recently. I am also not fussed if i die and you don't care. Just so you're aware

Be harsh as you want - and always, always take time to self edit yourself where social media is involved.

I think the Cadbury Surprise is the only acceptable method of suicide.

 Ouze wrote:

If I was going to kill myself, I'd probably pick the way that would be the most messy and inconvenient way possible so I empathize with this guy.

It's sort of the ultimate troll opportunity, when you think about it.

I think the attitude you showed in your first post is pretty accurate. Feeling bad for the family and a person with issues is fair, but he also did it in a way to traumatize the driver, any passengers who saw blood and body parts fly, and there were probably people there on strict schedules. I'm not a fan of suicide in the first place, but he didn't think of everyone else it would affect. You are not a monster for being upset at his actions. I don't think you deserve a one-way trip to hell, that's for sure.

I imagine it must be hard to actually end yourself in a fast and relatively unstoppable manner in the UK that doesn't negatively affect other people what with your lack of firearms.

 daedalus wrote:
I imagine it must be hard to actually end yourself in a fast and relatively unstoppable manner in the UK that doesn't negatively affect other people what with your lack of firearms.

Apparently rope is in short supply there, as well?

Or various pills?

I wouldn't say going to hell, but you're still kind of a dick about it. It's fine to be mad at the guy for what he did, but he's still a person. Saying he inconvenienced you when the guy was obviously distraught enough to take his own life is pretty selfish.

I feel worse for the driver who had to see it, I had an aunt go through a similar thing and it really feths you up.

Side note: I don't think this is really something you should put on facebook, especially with such a first world tagline as "Can't people not get hit by trains, really inconvenient."

I think hanging has got to be the worst way to go. I guess it's easier to find the correct way to tie a noose nowadays though, so it's probably less bad that it might've been pre-internet. Imagine getting it wrong though and just slowly choking to death.

Pills might not be too bad if you can get good enough ones. I understand barbiturates are the preferred way for a lot of doctors. It kind of has a emasculated overtone to it though. All that "leaving a beautiful corpse" crap.

My father hung himself. It seems like a bad way to go; I have to imagine that most people change their minds pretty quickly once they start strangling. I think you need a lot of space to do a "proper" neck breaking hanging, calculated by weight and such, and even then I believe professional hangmen got it wrong pretty often.


I'd go with a firearm, if I had to.

Suicide is self murder.

The person is equally capable of taking someone with them and not giving it a moment's thought.

It is a highly selfish act and the person had full control of the means chosen.

I am sure each story is a tragic case but the steps that could be taken to fix the suffering and remain alive takes less effort than to kill yourself: it is a violent act to end their suffering and try to inflict it on others.

They deserve to be ignored, to barely acknowledge their passing. I have been in that dark place a few times, most selfish moments in my life.

 Talizvar wrote:
but the steps that could be taken to fix the suffering and remain alive takes less effort than to kill yourself.

Suicidal people aren't rational? Thanks for the update.

It was tasteless to be sure but ultimately probably not all that awful. Clearly your friends and family don't have a sense of humor that runs quite as dark as yours days. Just remember you own the things you post online. Today's black humor could be tomorrows missed job opportunity.

Death kinda sucks and to make a post about how your late because some person died is kinda messed up but its human nature to be self centered if we traded places I would react the same. The difference is I would keep it to myself and not post my feelings about it on facebook...

Honestly speaking...

Or just make a post on Dakka we all have "grim dark" humor


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 thenoobbomb wrote:
No, you're not.

Someone wanted to kill him/herself, and decided he/she had to traumatise large groups of people with it, and delay the traffic.

That's just selfish.

Well the person was killing themselves because they are selfish piece of gak. I know depression is a disease but large portions of suicides are people striving for attention or upset because there lives are so hard...

I say put yourself in perspective to that child soldier in Somalia who has literally the worst life imaginable!

 Ouze wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
but the steps that could be taken to fix the suffering and remain alive takes less effort than to kill yourself.

Suicidal people aren't rational? Thanks for the update.

More a statement of motivation than being rational.
They pick the hard way for a reason.
I am sure I can pick some other fine obvious statements to spark more sarcasm.

 Azza007 wrote:
Bit of background first:

Today I was waiting to get a train across country, only to find that it was delayed. The delay was because some was killed, jumping in front of the train. I ended up waiting for almost 40 mins before the trains could begin service again, and even then it wasn't my original train I ended up getting. I then proceeded to put on Facebook the pillowing post "Can't people not get hit by trains, really inconvenient." This generated a bunch of comments from my friends and family about being mean and needing to take it down.

I proceeded to explain I feel sorry for the dead person's family, I feel sorry for the driver and all those who witnessed the incident. I even feel sorry for that person as they obviously had issues. What I have a problem with is that this person decided to kill themselves in a way that I see as selfish, having a massive knock on effect across the country, from all trains heading out of London. There were delays causing people to be late home, or wherever they needed to be. There are plenty of less selfish ways to carry this out without disrupting the lives of hundreds, if not thousands (possible exaggeration) of lives.

What do you guys think, am I too harsh?

You certainly were a bit harsh, but I can clearly understand your position also.