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Would you be worried about the Alpha strike 2 of these can perform? 4 hf templates, 2 st8 ap2 pie plates and 12 plasma shots (plus small arms).

Just wondering whether the following would be viable. Issodon and a raptors libby. Issodon has infiltrate and grants infiltrate to 3 more units, in this case, the libby and 2 vet squads. The vets in turn grant it to their chimeras. Both chimeras have one of the raptors characters who both haves scout and thus grant a 12" scout move to the chimeras. Thus putting the chimeras 6" from the opponents closest units. IF you get turn 1 you can then move 6", disembark 6" (thus bypassing a lot of potential cover) and then shoot.

Of course neither of these units will survive the game (although shrouded from issodon will slightly increase one units survivability), but if supported with more alpha striking units, say a couple of podded seige dreds, and back field support, in say pask squadron and sicaran/TFCs/rapiers etc, do you think they will survive long enough and/or do enough damage with the supporting units for the rest of the list (OS units) to win on mission VPs in maelstrom?

Say a list like this:

Issodon (in chimera, joins pod marines when vets whittled down)

Librarian (in chimera, joins pod marines when vets whittled down)

5 tac marines (pods accurately to support Issodon due to locator beacon)
Pod

5 tac marines (scouts 12" so can support if needed)
Flamer
Razorback with multimelta (IA:2)

5 tac marines (scouts 12" so can support if needed)
Razorback with multimelta (IA:2)

5 scouts
Bolters

Seige dread
Flamestorm cannon, heavy flamer, seige drill
Pod

Seige dread
Flamestorm cannon, heavy flamer, seige drill
Pod

Sicaran
Lascannons, schism of mars

Pask punisher
Multimeltas, lascannon
Vanquisher
Lascannon

Vet squad
Demo charge, melta bombs, 3 plasma guns
Chimera
2 heavy flamers

Vet squad
Demo charge, melta bombs, 3 plasma guns
Chimera
2 heavy flamers

2k

If not going first the chimeras can infiltrate behind cover, maybe in the opponents flank, or come in for a beta strike with outflank.

What do you think? A good use of 'master of ambush'? Or are infiltrating, scouting grav cents, guard blobs, DT landraiders etc a no brainer?
It does contain 11 OS units.


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The other thought is to go with 2 infiltrating scouting psybolt landraider crusaders each with a mm and filled with a priest + 4 or 5 DCAs + 6 or 7 bullet sponge acolytes + issodon/inq with liber heresius.

It's a nasty list for sure, but I have a problem with relying on outflank to get my gak where it needs to go because it's random board edge. If there was a way to re-roll your result I would be more inclined to use a tactic like this, but alas, its almost worse than deep striking because there is no guarantee that your opponent will have enemies on the board edge you come in from. Or even that they will have units you can harm on that board edge.

Flyer lists will give you a big problem :(
Also once the alpha stike is over, you have a few chimeras, pods and razorbacks very exposed. Not the most durable of units if things go pear shaped.

 ultimentra wrote:
It's a nasty list for sure, but I have a problem with relying on outflank to get my gak where it needs to go because it's random board edge. If there was a way to re-roll your result I would be more inclined to use a tactic like this, but alas, its almost worse than deep striking because there is no guarantee that your opponent will have enemies on the board edge you come in from. Or even that they will have units you can harm on that board edge.

Good point which will be an issue if going second. If going first, they can just infiltrate and scout. Maybe need to think of a way to help reroll/auto decide board edges.


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 Ratius wrote:
Flyer lists will give you a big problem :(
Also once the alpha stike is over, you have a few chimeras, pods and razorbacks very exposed. Not the most durable of units if things go pear shaped.

That's true. Although there will be Pask squadron, Sicaran and 2 dreads hopefully distracting firepower (although I guess you mean the dreads are 'gone' once the alpha strike is over - easy to happen with only av12).

I wouldn't be worried about it. It'll work fine when you go first and go up in flames when you go second. If that's the kind of game you like, go ahead, but it's inconsistent.

They can hide behind LoS blocking cover if using infiltrate, but I do see what you mean. Not worth risking on that dice roll then.

All this is moot now anyway, as I've been made aware that Issodons warlord trait has changed from master of ambush to master of manoeuvre.


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Scrap that last sentence - no it hasn't.