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Lets start the ball rolling, there are enough screen shots now that we have definitive proof of almost all rules.

My first question is this, will you still be fielding 2-3 Annihilation barges at the new price point with the jinking nerf.

Before we get on to all the juicy awesome stuff.

Wraithwing looks insane now.

Not sure about spamming Anni Barges since the points increase and Tesla nerf.

There's a whole Codex to try out. I imagine there is something for everybody.

Take as many wraiths as possible.

Yeah GW making Wraiths better blows my mind.
Compare them to TW with SSs, 3 Wraiths are rumored to be 150pts, 3TW w/ SSs are 165pts from memory.

Similarities:
3+/3++
Rending Attacks
T5
WS/BS 4
2W
Cavalry

Wraiths have +1 S and L over the TW, is fearless and ignores models and DT when moving but -1 base attack and -2 I however they can purchase Whipcoils to give them +3 I (+1 over TW)...

So wraiths are overall a bit better than TW and yet are still cheaper... if they didn't get the T increase they would be more fair.



Of course theur formation + the Decurion detachment is even more burtal... look guys, a free 4+ RP not-save!

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Of course theur formation + the Decurion detachment is even more burtal... look guys, a free 4+ RP not-save!

Don't forget the reroll with a res orb!

What's the rumor on ABs and tesla?

What's the rumor on Wraiths points?

 Byte wrote:
What's the rumor on ABs and tesla?

What's the rumor on Wraiths points?

Not really a rumor, we've seen the pages.

Both ABs and NS are 30 points more expensive, and tesla doesn't snap fire... Which honestly I only care about for Immortals, as it kills the utility of swaping their weapon out.

Wraiths are 5 points per model more expensive, but have cheaper upgrades. Whip coils are 7 points cheaper, and Transdimensional Beamers 5.

changemod wrote:

 Byte wrote:
What's the rumor on ABs and tesla?

What's the rumor on Wraiths points?

Not really a rumor, we've seen the pages.

Both ABs and NS are 30 points more expensive, and tesla doesn't snap fire... Which honestly I only care about for Immortals, as it kills the utility of swaping their weapon out.

Wraiths are 5 points per model more expensive, but have cheaper upgrades. Whip coils are 7 points cheaper, and Transdimensional Beamers 5.

Than post the pages?

So Wraiths weren't as expensive as I'd previously heard.

Welp... WTF GW.

 Byte wrote:

changemod wrote:

 Byte wrote:
What's the rumor on ABs and tesla?

What's the rumor on Wraiths points?

Not really a rumor, we've seen the pages.

Both ABs and NS are 30 points more expensive, and tesla doesn't snap fire... Which honestly I only care about for Immortals, as it kills the utility of swaping their weapon out.

Wraiths are 5 points per model more expensive, but have cheaper upgrades. Whip coils are 7 points cheaper, and Transdimensional Beamers 5.

Than post the pages?

No?

I'm not sharing copywrited rules publicly like that. Odds are that rumor thread will be nuked the instant the official release happens as is.

I'm a fan of the wraiths for sure (was last codex so this is just icing on the cake)

Definitely will be fielding them with the whip coils as they no longer lose initiative when charging through terrain (some may contest this but I really don't see how GW could have made it any clearer, outside of an explicit statement).

I'm not terribly interested in AB any longer. A 33% price increase + reduced effectiveness = a unit that is not very good any more. I mean, you can definitely still field it, but I'm a lot more excited to try some variation of the super C'tan unit with the crypteks, or even an Obelisk. Do the math - it's better than an equivalent amount of points of ABs in every way.

I never was a huge fan of Cron air, although the late game objective grabs and needed AA can't really be denied (although the list I'm currently constructed definitely tries to haha)

Ghost arks are even better than they used to be, and ought to see some serious play time.

The res orb is interesting, but for a single turn re-roll....I don't know if that's as auto include as the old iteration once was. Plus IIRC it's only for the bearer and his unit so getting wraiths to have that would be much more difficult (especially since D Lords with wraiths are worse now)

I think I will try to work a list around 3 Canoptek harvests and a Decurion detachment and see what happens. No OS is a bummer but maybe wraiths can do the work.

Well from the sound of it my 8 AB/CBs became nerfed...

My 5 NSs still seem worth it, but more balanced.

I think CCB are still good. Unless you're going heavy on crypteks for min HQs I would still probably take 1/2. Named special characters do seem more appealing (read: cheaper/possibly viable)

 Byte wrote:
Well from the sound of it my 8 AB/CBs became nerfed...

My 5 NSs still seem worth it, but more balanced.

It's almost like GW planned it...

Synn wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Well from the sound of it my 8 AB/CBs became nerfed...

My 5 NSs still seem worth it, but more balanced.

It's almost like GW planned it...

Damned GW...

As a Chaos player, the fact the assorted Decurion formations can be taken standalone is a nice side benefit. What I'm considering for 2-formation army formats is either running dual Heldrakes and the Doomscythe formation, or just running a Destroyer Cult in a conventional chaos list.

One standalone Destroyer Lord with Nightmare Shroud,
3 solo Destroyers with Heavy Gauss Cannons.

Chaos has its attack-bike equivalent.

There is no reason to take 3 Abarges now when you can take an Obelisk.

The most competitive list is going to be a Decurion, hands down. the Decurion Wide +1 bonus to RP is too good to pass up.

I expect we'll see more more Tomblades, the Judicator Battalion and the Canoptek Harvest most games.

This is my planned list

Decurion Detachment

Reclamation Legion:

Barge Lord w/ Warscythe, Phylactery, Phase Shifter

3+ , 4++, 4++, Reroll Failed 1s on the Ressurection Protocol

Necron Warriors w/ Ghost Ark
235

Necron Warriors w/ Night Scythe
260

Necron Immortals w/ Night Scythe

215

Tomb Blade x 5 w/ Shadowvane, Nebuloscope

110

Tomb Blade x 5 w/ Shadowvane, Nebuloscope

110


Canoptek Harvest
5 Wraiths
3 Scarabs
1 Tomb Spyder w/ Particle Beam

Total : 315

Canoptek Harvest
5 Wraiths
3 Scarabs
1 Tomb Spyder w/ Particle Beam

Total :315

Total: 1750

I may take more Tomb Blades, but I've got a deal on ten of them and damn their expensive. Everything in the army has a 4+ Reanimation Protocol List.

I think I need more Tomb Blades.

I think you are seriously passing up some major firepower by not taking the Obelisk.

The thing is practically immortal, and should always get at least 3 of it's spheres off, which is 15 tesla shots. In addition, the dangerous terrain is an awesome bonus for dealing with FMCs and Flyers.

 Sasori wrote:
I think you are seriously passing up some major firepower by not taking the Obelisk.

The thing is practically immortal, and should always get at least 3 of it's spheres off, which is 15 tesla shots. In addition, the dangerous terrain is an awesome bonus for dealing with FMCs and Flyers.

I guess, I mean that'd require dropping a Wraithwing and that formation is so powerful it's like uh... why would I not take this again? Also I hate the model.

Also isn't the Obelisk a Lord of War.

Hollismason wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I think you are seriously passing up some major firepower by not taking the Obelisk.

The thing is practically immortal, and should always get at least 3 of it's spheres off, which is 15 tesla shots. In addition, the dangerous terrain is an awesome bonus for dealing with FMCs and Flyers.

I guess, I mean that'd require dropping a Wraithwing and that formation is so powerful it's like uh... why would I not take this again? Also I hate the model.

Also isn't the Obelisk a Lord of War.

They are in the "Living Tomb" formation as part of a Decurion.

Oh yeah, but the model its so hideous I can't bring myself to purchase it. I'm already giving in on Tomb Blades, and hate them as well.

Hollismason wrote:
Oh yeah, but the model its so hideous I can't bring myself to purchase it. I'm already giving in on Tomb Blades, and hate them as well.

Tomb Blades are pretty incredible now, so there is no loss at all.


I really need to figure what to do points wise, as there is so much I want to take at this point!

My biggest question at this point is what to do with the troops. If you assume that the Decurion Detachment is worth giving up Obsec for (which tbh I think it is) then do you ally in Necrons from the normal FOC to gain obsec? Do you ally in another army entirely? Assuming one wants to do neither of those, how do you kit out non-obsec troops? I feel like a night scythe is still somewhat compulsory for some AA since the transport wasn't contesting any objectives anyhow, and the GA isn't bad since it's so durable and has even better guns now, but it just seems so expensive for a non-obsec vehicle, as that was the purpose that I primarily used it for with the old dex.

What do you guys think? My first instinct is to run the warrior troops barebones on foot and just reserve them most of the time, and have the immortals in a night scythe.

The Ghost Ark puts out a fething gak load of shots in the Decurion Formation, Reclamation legion because the Warriors inside it I believe have Relentless. Am I not correct on that? Roll up on someone and dump out 30 Gauss Shots. I guess that's a YMDC question.

I mean 1 Ghost Ark Moving w/ 10 Warriors puts out 50 Gauss shots in 12" and 30 at 24"

Gauss now wounds on a 6 regardless so that's a bonus, but who cares, 50 Gauss Shots should put a dent in just about most things.

Just gonna point it out that stalkers + either/both types of Destroyers are a 2+ re-roll to hit, Don't forget about destroyers can JSJ.

And Tomb blades with stalkers is a 2+ re-roll to hit even though Tomb blades move 12 and stalker moves 6 the area is 6" from the stalker and the front stalker legs and stretch out pretty far (kinda TFG doing that with the legs) but the stalker can always just run if needed


For people that wanna run the C'tan shards run both and let them "hold hands" the deceiver's 2-L aura works great with the nightbringer's 3d6 vs LD ap2 wounds ability.

Someone else came up with this but

Deathmarks x 10
Destroyer Lord w/ Warsycythe and the 1 shot St7 AP2 Flamer

Deep Strike in and hit them with the one shot St7 AP2 flamer, then fire off 20 Rapid Fire shots from the Deathmarks into something they're then rerolling 1s to hit and 1s to wound.


It's almost 20 Auto Wounds on a unit, some will be 6s and some will be precision.

Hollismason wrote:
Someone else came up with this but

Deathmarks x 10
Destroyer Lord w/ Warsycythe and the 1 shot St7 AP2 Flamer

Deep Strike in and hit them with the one shot St7 AP2 flamer, then fire off 20 Rapid Fire shots from the Deathmarks into something they're then rerolling 1s to hit and 1s to wound.


It's almost 20 Auto Wounds on a unit, some will be 6s and some will be precision.

I don't know, I think if I wanted to deepstrike something in for a massive Impact, It'd be either the Obelisk or a pack of 20 flayed ones.

I think a army of Flayed Ones, Wraiths and Praetorians is going to be a nasty CC army. I said it in the other thread but seriously it's like what do you not take? The Decurion formation has some killer units in it.

The stalker and two preatoriens formation bonus is if the stalker is alive pick a target in LOS of it re-roll all misses and all failed to wounds to that target (or something to that effect) I noticed it didn't have a limit to that formation only. So with that Welcome to die? The ride never ends.