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Ok so as an ork player with no Eldar in my gaming group I can't figure out what you need to play Harlequin. Can someone fill in the gaps for me real quick. I see the rules for each unit in WD. But some of the units refer to other Eldar rules such as Eldar jet bikes. So if I want to play Harlequin do I need to buy the Eldar codec, the Dark Eldar codec or are they coming out with a Harlequin codec?

 Makinit wrote:
Ok so as an ork player with no Eldar in my gaming group I can't figure out what you need to play Harlequin. Can someone fill in the gaps for me real quick. I see the rules for each unit in WD. But some of the units refer to other Eldar rules such as Eldar jet bikes. So if I want to play Harlequin do I need to buy the Eldar codec, the Dark Eldar codec or are they coming out with a Harlequin codec?

There is a Codex coming out - the WD are previews/ placeholders to allow people to get excited and also to try them out.......

... and start building them with weapon loadouts that makes sense.

Also, the rules for the Eldar Jetbikes are in the basic 40k rule book in the Bikes description in a little black box on the bottom right.

 Makinit wrote:
Ok so as an ork player with no Eldar in my gaming group I can't figure out what you need to play Harlequin. Can someone fill in the gaps for me real quick. I see the rules for each unit in WD. But some of the units refer to other Eldar rules such as Eldar jet bikes. So if I want to play Harlequin do I need to buy the Eldar codec, the Dark Eldar codec or are they coming out with a Harlequin codec?

From the new WD:

You MUST use that detachment too btw-no HQ means no CAD or Allied detachments.

So, get buying I guess.

And has been mentioned before, we have no indication what other detachments or formations may be in the codex.

Pre-orders are up on GW's site. Product description says the book contains 6 formations.

So according to this I can't run a harlequin troupe with shadowseer in a starweaver with an eldar army?

First time player and putting together a 1000 point eldar army.

If anyone can answer what happens to the harlequins in the eldar codex???

I think they disappear. Now if that's true then Eldar players have to buy two books to access the material of what used to be in one. I may be wrong.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I think they disappear. Now if that's true then Eldar players have to buy two books to access the material of what used to be in one. I may be wrong.

If they stop will I be able to use what I wanted? Just bought the models and want to make sure before I open them up! Surely they are still eldar? Will be playing casually but don't want to break the rules before I've even started!!

I don't see any reason you can't use the rules in the Eldar codex

You could still use a Shadowseer, just not the transport or bikes or new wargear.

Guys they follow the same rules for allied detachments, but they haven't released any HQs yet. I'm assuming a Masque, like any other detachment, will have its own benefits. Wait for the codex to drop before you flip.

Please excuse my ignorance here as I am a noob... Have only played a couple of scenarios and am looking to build my first army.

Am I right that if I'm just playing casually (with my friend) then we can play unbound and I can take whatever harlequins I want? Or do I need to stick to the recently found formations?

Is there any scope to take a troupe of 5 harlequins and either a shadows ever or death jester and put them in a starweaver (in unbound of course)

Just want to know if this is possible so I can start painting, if not what elder troupes would give me the same quality and fire power?

Yes, that is perfectly possible with Unbound, and the way I shall be running my Harlequins for the most part.

Frankly, if anyone is going to apply a blanket 'no Unbound' statement to someone who doesn't want to spend £200 just to add some shiny new models to their army needs to perhaps reevaluate their position. It's hardly breaking the game, and if the codex allowed it (as many expected it would) then they would be fine with it, so really I can't see that many people are likely to refuse.

Oh, and welcome to Dakka!

 Paradigm wrote:
Yes, that is perfectly possible with Unbound, and the way I shall be running my Harlequins for the most part.

Frankly, if anyone is going to apply a blanket 'no Unbound' statement to someone who doesn't want to spend £200 just to add some shiny new models to their army needs to perhaps reevaluate their position. It's hardly breaking the game, and if the codex allowed it (as many expected it would) then they would be fine with it, so really I can't see that many people are likely to refuse.

Oh, and welcome to Dakka!

Amazing! Thanks Paragrim

If only I could take a DJ a SS and only four harlequins. Ultimate strike squad!

Sorry if I've hijacked the thread but what do you think the best bang for your buck is in one 6 man troupe? Only playing with 1000 points

If you want to play an "entry level" Harlequin formation, this one should work:

3) “company of actors”

1 Troupe, 1 DJ, 1 SS

Restrictions:

– all models from this formation must deployed as a single unit. DJ & SS can’t leave the unit




Special rules:

– crusader

– heralds of the Laughing’s God (any models with the Eldar or Dark Eldar faction (friend or foe) within 6″ from one or more models of this formation gain the crusader special rule)

Alternatively, you could try this one, which is a bit bigger:

4) “Cegorach’s jest”

1 Troupe, 1 unit of Skyweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers

Restrictions:none




Special rules:

– pressing Crescendo (from the beginning of turn 2, all units in this formation with the Fleet special rule can Run and Charge in the same turn).

The latter one is probably better as you can put the Troupe in a Star Weaver, but it prevents you from taking the characters. The first one doesn't let you ride in a Starweaver, but has both characters.


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Xeones7 wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Yes, that is perfectly possible with Unbound, and the way I shall be running my Harlequins for the most part.

Frankly, if anyone is going to apply a blanket 'no Unbound' statement to someone who doesn't want to spend £200 just to add some shiny new models to their army needs to perhaps reevaluate their position. It's hardly breaking the game, and if the codex allowed it (as many expected it would) then they would be fine with it, so really I can't see that many people are likely to refuse.

Oh, and welcome to Dakka!

Amazing! Thanks Paragrim

If only I could take a DJ a SS and only four harlequins. Ultimate strike squad!

Sorry if I've hijacked the thread but what do you think the best bang for your buck is in one 6 man troupe? Only playing with 1000 points

In terms of squad equipment, I think this will take some experimentation to get right. As of now, I would suggest skipping the pistol upgrades except for the Troupe Master, but close combat weapon upgrades are a totally different story. The Kiss, Embrace and Caress all have different things going for them, and are good against different types of targets. The Caress is great against vehicles and high toughness monstrous creatures, but is underwhelming against hordes since it doesn't really do anything to them that's worth 8 ppm to upgrade over a regular CCW. The Kiss is excellent against MCs and heavy infantry, but with only 1 attack affected for each model with a kiss, it is kind of an all or nothing strategy and it is worthless against any vehicle with AV13 (including Walkers with AV13 front armor). The Kiss, like the Caress, is not very good against hordes. The Embrace gives you extra S6 hits on the charge, which is great against enemies with bad armor saves and can hit invisible units and walker side/rear armor. The Embrace, however, requires you to get into base contact on the charge, and the extra hits only affect the model you are in base contact with, so there is a risk the Embrace will underperform if you are making a long charge. In addition, the Embrace also only works on the charge, so it has no effect in subsequent rounds of combat (but hit and run mitigates this problem considerably).

I think the way to go is probably to specialize the unit with all of 1 weapon, although an upgrade to a Caress and/or special pistol on the Troupe Master is justifiable due to his higher Attacks characteristic and Ballistics Skill of 5, respectively. Haywire Grenades are also quite justifiable at only 5 points.