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So I played a game with a friend and I did ork warband formation (Waaaagh! every turn deal!) which is fine but I also got for my warlord trait Prophet of the Waaagh! for my warboss soooo most my army has Fearless (all my units that have er we go) But should my grotz get it? My friend told me sense the runt herder has it then my grotz have it as well (plus furious charge.)

Now I only bring this up because my grotz killed a whole squad of legion of the damned (It was a weak squad but still 10 grotz vs 5 legionaries) and that kinda blew me out of the water considering legion have fear! I just cant believe grotz can be fearless... Should this happen?

Yep, seems legit. Just having one model in the unit with Fearless (the Runtherd) affects the whole unit. The Warboss also isn't restricted to the Great Waaagh Warlord Traits (you can choose either table), which is the only thing I thought might get in the way.

RAW your fine, RAI and the fact that the warboss trait says the unit has to be made of entirely ERE we go models...probably not, GW goofed again.

No, the Grots should not have been fearless. Part of the confusion here is that the summary of Warlord Traits in the Codex: Orks reference section (p104) says all units with 'Ere We Go get Fearless, but the actual Warlord Trait table on p92 says all models with 'Ere We Go get Fearless, not units. Regardless, the codex says that only the Runtherd has 'Ere We Go, therefore the Grots doesn't get Fearless, but the Runtherd would. Grots would not get Furious Charge either, only the Runtherd has that.

Prophet of the Waaagh!: Warlord gains Waaagh. If the warlord already has waagh (AKA Warboss) then all friendly units with ere we go! gain fearless when he calls a waaagh! until the start of the next friendly turn."


So you didn't read the last bit cleatus, it specifically says all friendly units with Ere we go, it doesn't say "Completely made out of models with ere we go.

Ok guys still kinda confused some of you say yes others say no... From my understanding the runt herder has furious charge which he gives to the grotz. Now what my friend believes is the grotz wouldn't get Ere we go. But if one model in the unit has Fearless then the squad gets it. Meaning the runt herder gives not only furious charge to the grotz but fearless as well. So grotz do not have ere we go but they do get fearless from the runt herder. So im conflicted part of me says yes part of me says no...

Lore speaking grotz should have run in fear from the flaming space marines.

The rules for prophet are clear, if the unit has Ere we go, then they gain the advantages. the Runt herder has ere we go and therefore the unit gains the bonus. Sloppy writing but for a change it benefits orks.

Even if it just the models with 'Ere We Go gain the special rules, Fearless benefits the whole unit.

If a single model in a unit has Fearless, the entire unit benefits from Fearless. Fearless is defined that "Units containing one or more models with the Fearless special rule..." Hence, since the Runtherd gains Fearless, the grots he's with are effectively Fearless. If you can kill the Runtherd though, they will no longer be benefiting from Fearless.

Furious Charge, however, affects only the model with Furious Charge - not the whole unit. So only the Runtherd gains +1S on the charge, not the Grots.

Look in the rulebook. If it says "unit contains a model with the special rule" then the whole unit gets it even if it's just one guy. If it says just the model gains the special rule, then it's just that model.

Seems like you get fearless if the runtherd's still alive.

Here, have some clarity:

Prophet of the Waagh! states:

"...all friendly models with the ’Ere We Go! special rule gain the Fearless special rule when..."

The Runtherd has the 'Ere We Go! special rule, and so gains the Fearless special rule.

Fearless states:

"Units containing one or more models with the Fearless special rule..."

The Gretchin unit contains a Runtherd, which in this case is one or more models with the Fearless special rule, and so the Gretchin unit benefits from the effects of the Runtherd's Fearless special rule.

I stand corrected on the Fearless special rule. As Mr. Shine and Yarium pointed out, if even one model in a unit has Fearless, the unit gets fearless. So even though the Grots don't have 'Ere We Go or Furious Charge, they are Fearless as long as the Runtherd is alive as koooaei said.

There is a bit of sloppy editing on the wording of the warlord trait. It is worded two different ways (on p92 and p104 of Codex:Orks). However, in this case it doesn't matter because the Runtherd has 'Ere We Go, therefore is Fearless, and therefore the Grots are Fearless too as long as he's alive. Go Grots!

Great thanks for all your help gentlemen still cant believe Grotz have a (somewhat) easy way to gain fearless

Stompa is aruably easier