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I like that the Eternal Guard have a slightly High Elven appearance. I might be wrong but aren't the Eternal Guard basically made up of lesser noble sons or something? Which means they would have retained more of the High Elven trappings than other aspects of the army.

Either way it's a stunning set of models. Fantasy has been super solid with it's last two releases with only the gyrocopter not being a particular favorite of mine.

I certainly think that GW, for all their rules failings, have set a good standard in the Fantasy model ranges. There is now a very pretty range of armies in the game. Makes me excited to see what happens with the Bretonnians.

Dryads are not skirmishers, S3 and hatred

Whaaa? That's a sucky change if true.

So WE aren't really the fast skirmisher-archer-fast cav army anymore, they're just like every other army with blocks of infantry? I hope not.

Dryads used to be ranked units anyway.

It's ok, because in 8th the skirmish rules really suck and are overly clunky. Fewer skirmishers is better generally, otherwise you can't fit them on table due to current skirmish rules making skirmishers more unwieldy than horde infantry.

 streamdragon wrote:
Someone's been watching Miyazaki movies lately...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had that thought!

 Daba wrote:
Dryads used to be ranked units anyway.

Yeah, like 12 years ago

It's ok, because in 8th the skirmish rules really suck and are overly clunky. Fewer skirmishers is better generally, otherwise you can't fit them on table due to current skirmish rules making skirmishers more unwieldy than horde infantry.

I'd rather Dryads be more elite skirmishers. Making all the WE infantry in to blocks just takes away the unique feel the army had.

 Overread wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Someone's been watching Miyazaki movies lately...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had that thought!

This!!! I kind of like it.

The release looks pretty good. I don't particularly like the paint jobs they've shown the models painted with, but I think all the models themselves actually look quite good.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Dryads are not skirmishers, S3 and hatred

Whaaa? That's a sucky change if true.

So WE aren't really the fast skirmisher-archer-fast cav army anymore, they're just like every other army with blocks of infantry? I hope not.

It's even worse when you consider that, due to lack of models, Dryads almost certainly won't be getting standards or musicians. They only dropped them 1 point also. It's a hefty nerf.

 nels1031 wrote:
Or, using the Eternal Guard as High Elf Spearmen and using them as the base of a HE army.

That's a good idea! They would work well.

Re: the Dryads posts above, people used to want Dryads to not be skirmishers. I know I was wishing for that when 8th first hit. Not really sure if things have changed now but they never could hold their own enough as a combat-only skirmishing unit for me.

 RiTides wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
Or, using the Eternal Guard as High Elf Spearmen and using them as the base of a HE army.

That's a good idea! They would work well.

Re: the Dryads posts above, people used to want Dryads to not be skirmishers. I know I was wishing for that when 8th first hit. Not really sure if things have changed now but they never could hold their own enough as a combat-only skirmishing unit for me.

I have honestly not played my WE for a very long time, but I have always liked Dryads as skirmishers because it means you don't just use them to tank like every other infantry unit in the game, you have to use them as part of combined attacks and use the fact they typically inflict more wounds than they take to sway the combat res in your favour vs armies that have large static combat res.

Now, if they can't do that in 8th edition anymore, I'd rather see them gain special rules that let them remain viable as skirmishers than just turning them in to yet another ranked regiment.

Under the model description on GWs page the Dryad picture shows them skirmishing as well as saying "... the Dyrads skirmishing, fear-causing style of battle..." this is after they've updated the Wood Elf section as well, and Wardancers have a similar picture. The GW model descriptions usually are anything but, however it is something to think about perhaps...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Wood-Elf-Dryads

 Cirronimbus wrote:
Under the model description on GWs page the Dryad picture shows them skirmishing as well as saying "... the Dyrads skirmishing, fear-causing style of battle..." this is after they've updated the Wood Elf section as well, and Wardancers have a similar picture. The GW model descriptions usually are anything but, however it is something to think about perhaps...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Wood-Elf-Dryads

I wouldn't put much stock in that, they're old models so I doubt they'd update the pics and that could just be old text.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I like that the Eternal Guard have a slightly High Elven appearance. I might be wrong but aren't the Eternal Guard basically made up of lesser noble sons or something? Which means they would have retained more of the High Elven trappings than other aspects of the army.

Wood Elves see High Elves as traitors. So why shouldn't the elite copy High Elf armour to honor the beloved traitors

The armour probably goes back to when there weren't different flavours of elves.

Yep, I think I am going to have to start playing fantasy. Although I do wish there was a larger update, but so far it seem pretty cool. But yea, some big eagle riders would have been neat, or even some updated plastic heros over the finecast.

Either way I am probably going to the stag riders as I think the models look amazing. The faces on the female stag riders are a little strange though, so I may have to put some different heads on there.

I like the Wild Riders, but I already have 10 so I might just get them to make Maidens.

I'll think about WW Rangers; I probably do need some elf combat unit.

High Elf Skycutter + Stags + Orion


Santa Elf Style.

Come on everyone wants to do it.

(Already naming those reindeer)

khsofsos wrote:
High Elf Skycutter + Stags + Orion


Santa Elf Style.

Come on everyone wants to do it.

(Already naming those reindeer)

Brilliant.

Except I would put a Dwarf Lord on there. Santa and his elves. A nice Xmas themed army.

Wouldn't it have to be an Ogre? Scale and all.

Hmm... do like this second week of releases. The deer riders remind of Princess Mononoke. I wonder if that's what they were going for...

 Flashman wrote:
Hmm... do like this second week of releases. The deer riders remind of Princess Mononoke. I wonder if that's what they were going for...

I suspect that it was probably an influence - interesting to note that whilst several of us are getting a strong Ghibli Studio feeling from them the models themselves don't look like the deer from Mononoke (although the antler design does look like its inspired by eastern influences in anime).

This release is beautiful. Those new Wood Elf helmets look brutal, the "deers" look like they can anyone's ass and the ones with the Glaives, those are some badass looking elves.

I don't play Fantasy, now do I wish to spend money there and in 40k, but I'm considering at least buying the "codex"... I love their books and those illustrations are some of the best I have seen so far from GW.

The new elites are priced at £30 for 10 instead of £35?

Has GW gone mad?

 scarletsquig wrote:
The new elites are priced at £30 for 10 instead of £35?

Has GW gone mad?

I think it makes perfect sense.

GW WILL respond to a decline in sales. WHFB sales must be exceptionally low and/or they were not expecting the Wood Elf update to be a popular line.

The same thing would happen for 40k if people stopped buying the Citadel FineTools, the Space Marine Ultra Codex, etc. etc. etc.

Also, one can ascertain that the high prices on the Dwarfs brought about lower sales that GW is trying to deal with in pricing the WE (since they can't ever do discounts).

GW will certainly react to change in the market. Hopefully they can also see that they focus too much of their resources on advertising 40K to the detriment of their other lines. A big amount of Fantasy advertising - coupled with some stable prices - hopefully coupled with a rules set that allows for a smaller point match (500 points or less) should see fantasy gains some new ground.

They've got the sculpts that people like - they just have to convince them to get into the game.

I love the stag riders, I even like the winter theme of the sisters. That with the fact that I like both the glade guard/riders and the dyrads and the treemen, I could see me starting a wood elf army when I get more money and after seeing some battle reports. I would love to do a cavalry style army with horses and stags.

I hate all the new elves.

The Wild Riders helmets look like corn.

The Sisters just have too much going on. They look like they'll tangle themselves up with their antlers and their javelins and their staffs and their hair and their antlered helmets. They should have to take a dangerous terrain test every phase.

The Rangers look like they've got their Dad's ax. With their grip choked up on the ax head, it looks like they melted down an entire knight for each of those axes, and now they are too heavy to wield properly.

The eternal guard: "How do I hold all this gear? Also, why is my shield wicker?"

Say what you like about our evil overlords, they make mint minis.

Those treemen are absolutely beautiful, I might actually buy one just to paint, because I'm struggling to possibly conceive any way I can convert one for a Space Marine army?

Perhaps some sort of... leaf-based dreadnought that was abandoned in the jungles of catachan long ago?

Holy cow, I love al the models! No, no new army for me.... *mumble*

The Stagrider have awesome dynamics.

 mattyrm wrote:

Perhaps some sort of... leaf-based dreadnought that was abandoned in the jungles of catachan long ago?

Just say it had a Bender style "downgrade" to wood