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Can a non-Infiltrating IC join a unit of Infiltrators and vice versa if they elect to Outflank/Deep Strike as opposed to Infiltrate?

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The rulebook FAQ states:

"An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment, and vice versa."

We now have to know what qualifies as 'Infiltrators'. The first rule of the Infiltrate special rule's actual rules may give some insight:

"Units that contain at least one model with this special rule are deployed last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed. If both sides have Infiltrators, the players roll-off and the winner decides who goes first, then alternate deploying these units."

In this case it seems the term 'Infiltrators' describes a unit that contains at least one model with the Infiltrate special rule, as the second sentence with 'Infiltrators' mentioned is referring back to the first sentence about units with at least one model with the Infiltrate special rule.

Some believe 'Infiltrators' refers only to such units deploying on the board during regular deployment at the beginning of the game, though I disagree as above.

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Astonished of Heck

Infiltrator is never actually described nor defined. It is simply used in two contexts. The first is when a unit with Infiltrate is being deployed (usually in deployment), as described above in the second quote. The second is the limit against ICs joining Infiltrators during deployment, as in the first quote.

If we define a word by using only the context it is used, than the second description Mr. Shine provided is valid, and joining an IC to a unit with Infiltrate in Reserves is possible. Placing a unit in Reserves is not deploying, even if it is during deployment, so the unit are not Infiltrators per the context provided. So Destroyer Lords can join Flayed Ones in Deep Strike Reserves and Shrike can take a Vanguard Squad Outflanking.

However, lacking a rulebook definition different from the dictionary, the basic definition of Infiltrator is "One who Infiltrates", or could be used as "One who is Infiltrating". Is one a painter only when a brush and paint are in hand, or is one a painter because of their profession or regular hobby practice and so they are skilled in it?

I practice it as a possessor instead of a current practitioner, simply because this is the easiest way to avoid arguments and issues with other players by limiting myself to the more conservative/restrictive definition. At least, until I know their stance on the question.

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Charistoph wrote:
If we define a word by using only the context it is used, than the second description Mr. Shine provided is valid, and joining an IC to a unit with Infiltrate in Reserves is possible. Placing a unit in Reserves is not deploying, even if it is during deployment, so the unit are not Infiltrators per the context provided. So Destroyer Lords can join Flayed Ones in Deep Strike Reserves and Shrike can take a Vanguard Squad Outflanking.


I just found this gem, which may clarify:

"Having Infiltrate also confers the Outflank special rule to units of Infiltrators that are kept as Reserves."

This seems to define even units that are kept in reserves as Infiltrators if they have the rule, as if they are not contextually Infiltrators (i.e. by infiltrating rather than being kept as reserves) then they would not be "units of Infiltrators that are kept as Reserves" unless simply having the rule qualifies them.

Combining this with the Combined Reserve Units rule, which requires you to declare units in reserves being joined during deployment, suggests that's a no, no?

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