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Hey Guys I had some question regarding planets in the Warp

Firstly is it possible for a sorcerer to open a warp rift or create one and to pull a planet into the warp.

Secondly would SM or IG be able to survive if their fortress monastery was protected by a void shield or gellar field, assuming
the gellar field is installed later after the planet has entered the warp, would the void shield be able to protect the inhabitants of the fortress sufficiently from the dangers of the warp.

Lastly would a powerful psyker (a SM librarian for example) be able to open a portal/rift back into the Materium

I certainly think a strong psyker could suck a planet into the warp (or summon a warp rift, which is easier, that just sucks the planet in).

I don't know a whole lot on Gellar fields, but if one could make one that covers the entire planet, and doesn't fail, it should keep them safe (or, much safer than being exposed to the warp, but there still is many dangers). Not sure about void shields either.

As for bringing a planet out, a strong enough psyker (not entirely sure how strong, but definitely on the higher side of the power scale) could open a warp rift to let the planet out again.

Of course, a planet once inside the warp will more than likely be closely watched and there will be a good chance that the place is bombed out and resettled sometime else, or ditched as a floating, lifeless rock.

According to the Grey Knights Codex Malcador put Titan in the Warp and it was protected by wards and other things.

Putting something in the warp is easier than dragging it out unless it's been protected by Gellar fields or something I would imagine.

But you can't really consider Malcador to be a "normal" psyker nor even a stronge one, he's waaaay beyond that u5

In the Grey knights book dark mechaniscus (cant remember how to spell it as it's upstairs and im comfy) a group of corrupted tech priests who find an intact STC of the original titan, known as the castigstor, take their planet into the warp using dark rituals that were used back during the horus heresy.

The Craftworld Altansar was trapped in the Warp for thousands of years until Maugan Ra came and fished em out. This means it's possible to survive in at least some fashion inside the Warp (assuming the Craftworld shields are equivalent to Gellar Fields). However it also shows that if Eldar can't find there way outta the Warp with a council of Farseers, only very top tier Psykers would be able to attempt it. On the other hand it could be argued the ''pull'' of Slaanesh was a physical thing stopping them from escaping, and they didn't escape unscathed either. In battle they never remove their masks and they speak in whispers, so obviously something happened to effect them.

Interesting, it seems that getting into the warp is a lot easier than getting out. Also I wasn't talking about getting the whole planet out of the warp but rather just an army.

I was thinking of my DA successor chapter army having their homeworld sucked into the warp after some quarrels with a chaos sorcerer and his warband, I am also working on some GK allies which might be handy as they could be the ones to help secure the planet in the warp with wards (together with the gellar field).

Also if a librarian would open a rift to realspace where would it lead, I seems to me that I would be drawn to an area of psychic disturbance, a large battle for example, what do you guys think?

No idea if you can count it as reliable material but in Dawn of War 2 one of the planets gets sucked in the warp then spat out again x number of decades later.

 DaMekBoy1997 wrote:
Interesting, it seems that getting into the warp is a lot easier than getting out. Also I wasn't talking about getting the whole planet out of the warp but rather just an army.

I was thinking of my DA successor chapter army having their homeworld sucked into the warp after some quarrels with a chaos sorcerer and his warband, I am also working on some GK allies which might be handy as they could be the ones to help secure the planet in the warp with wards (together with the gellar field).

Also if a librarian would open a rift to realspace where would it lead, I seems to me that I would be drawn to an area of psychic disturbance, a large battle for example, what do you guys think?

The wards would need to be created on the planet (probably via orbital laser) before it enters the Warp. Once it does go into the Warp, if it were not shielded beforehand, it becomes a Daemon World almost immediately, as the very soil, air and any vegetation mutate. Planet-scale Gellar Fields are both rare and difficult to maintain and, also, need to be installed before entering the Warp. Once you're in, if the defenses aren't up, you're boned. Also, even a brief flicker in the Gellar Fields could spell disaster as daemons come pouring in... and in the Warp? Some daemons might be the size of planets.

Your average SM Librarian is not going to have the power to pull an entire planet into, or out of, the Warp. On a scale of 1 to 10, Librarians generally rate about a 7... strong, but most are not much above delta-class, let alone Alpha or Beta, they're just well-trained psykers. The Emperor rates about five million. Malcador about three and a half million. Sorcerous Rituals, however, can provide the added boost.

Getting out? The Rift could take you anywhere... anywhen. If you're extremely lucky, it will take you somewhere other than the void of space or the heart of a star.

Well, that kind of ruins my idea but I will see if I can come up with something else, maybe a fleet based chapter will be interesting.

I know this is a bit out of context but are there any cases of GK elements having broken off from the main chapter and having formed there own organization (while still being in good relations with the original GKs)?

No.

ETA: That doesn't mean that a contingent of GK could not be present in some way. The GK do not deploy as a Chapter in most cases, and generally send only small numbers of their ranks to deal with daemonic uprisings and the like. They also, given their rather stringent entrance requirements and unusual geneseed, have no known Successor Chapters (a couple suspected in old fluff, though that is unlikely now with the ret-con to GK geneseed.) and, like most SM Chapters, don't have "break-away" groups. The GK, specifically, don't work like that.

Okay in that case I will have the GKs be a reoccurring ally of my DAs (Probably the chapter gaining the respect of a specific brotherhood or more likely a small strike force). This seems quite likely a alliance as the DA specialize in fighting CSM were the GK specialize in fighting Daemons.

The book Pandorax deals with the DA and GKs. Draigo and Azrael don't get on.

However, as mentioned, sorcerous rituals could drag a planet into the Warp. Singular psykers can't, but a bunch can do it.

 Psienesis wrote:

 DaMekBoy1997 wrote:
Interesting, it seems that getting into the warp is a lot easier than getting out. Also I wasn't talking about getting the whole planet out of the warp but rather just an army.

I was thinking of my DA successor chapter army having their homeworld sucked into the warp after some quarrels with a chaos sorcerer and his warband, I am also working on some GK allies which might be handy as they could be the ones to help secure the planet in the warp with wards (together with the gellar field).

Also if a librarian would open a rift to realspace where would it lead, I seems to me that I would be drawn to an area of psychic disturbance, a large battle for example, what do you guys think?

The wards would need to be created on the planet (probably via orbital laser) before it enters the Warp. Once it does go into the Warp, if it were not shielded beforehand, it becomes a Daemon World almost immediately, as the very soil, air and any vegetation mutate. Planet-scale Gellar Fields are both rare and difficult to maintain and, also, need to be installed before entering the Warp. Once you're in, if the defenses aren't up, you're boned. Also, even a brief flicker in the Gellar Fields could spell disaster as daemons come pouring in... and in the Warp? Some daemons might be the size of planets.

Your average SM Librarian is not going to have the power to pull an entire planet into, or out of, the Warp. On a scale of 1 to 10, Librarians generally rate about a 7... strong, but most are not much above delta-class, let alone Alpha or Beta, they're just well-trained psykers. The Emperor rates about five million. Malcador about three and a half million. Sorcerous Rituals, however, can provide the added boost.

Getting out? The Rift could take you anywhere... anywhen. If you're extremely lucky, it will take you somewhere other than the void of space or the heart of a star.

There is probably a way bigger difference between the Emprah and Malcador who could only sit on the golden throne for a few hours.

I don't think the fact that Draigo and Azrael not getting along very well will be a problem since my DA will be a successor chapter.

 DaMekBoy1997 wrote:
I don't think the fact that Draigo and Azrael not getting along very well will be a problem since my DA will be a successor chapter.

The DA really keep a closer eye on their successor chapters than any other chapter.

If they heard that your chapter was working with the GK's instead of them, they might consider you to be a liability and try to destroy you quietly.

In fact that might be a good explanation for how their homeworld "accidentally" got drug into the warp with a little behind the scenes string pulling by the DA.

Actually my chapter went through a name change and their past I kind of obscured, before they were a fleet based chapter and their main strike cruiser/fortress monastery got destroyed together with most records about their past. Part of the chapter managed to survive though and changed their name.

It is not clear who their successor chapter is but they use tactics similar to the DA (allowing me to use the DA codex and miniatures). The original chapter has been presumed destroyed.

I think I will post a more detailed story later on another thread.

 DaMekBoy1997 wrote:
Actually my chapter went through a name change and their past I kind of obscured, before they were a fleet based chapter and their main strike cruiser/fortress monastery got destroyed together with most records about their past. Part of the chapter managed to survive though and changed their name.

It is not clear who their successor chapter is but they use tactics similar to the DA (allowing me to use the DA codex and miniatures). The original chapter has been presumed destroyed.

I think I will post a more detailed story later on another thread.

Perfect. The DA destroyed the fortress monastery and most of the Chapter, and they rebuilt.

That's quite a good idea but I still want them to be a fleet based chapter, I was thinking them encountering a space hulk or Dark Age spaceship that was occupied by a chaos warband
After a bloody battle they manage to destroy the warband and they take the ship as their new fortress monastery. The battle scorched the armor of the marines black and that became their armour colour scheme (together with some green).

In terms of the name I was thinking Banished Angels (Exsules Angeli) referring to the fact the DA "banished" and nearly destroyed them
or Blackened Angels (Denigrata Angeli) referring to their armor being scorched.

I know it's a very unlikely scenario but what do you guys think?

Make it so that they encountered a DA successor with some kind of Space Station (something along the lines of a Ramilles Star Fort), and that would be perfect for the Banished Angels.

As for the Blackened Angels, I can't really see a Space Marine Chapter taking up residence in a craft that used to serve Chaos. The very Machine Spirits of Chaos Marine Void ships get corrupted by Chaos (see: Deus Encarmine), so the craft would likely end up betraying them at some point, or, at the very least, making a poor substitute for a true Fortress Monastery. Plus, the Craft would need rigorous cleansing rituals to be performed upon it by Priests and would need to be checked out by Inquisitors just to ensure that it wouldn't end up corrupting the Marines and Serfs serving aboard it (although, you could use that as a perfect way of starting an Index Traitoris).

I guess you are right in terms of the craft being corrupted, still it doesn't seem likely another DA chapter would be willing to aid them let alone let allow them to merge with the chapter. Also why would this other chapter willingly change their name.

Maybe an alternative to the chapter taking a space hulk (or another large vessel) from a chaos warband might be them taking it from genestealers (or it just abandoned) and then having one of their first major engagement be the fight with the warband that turned their armour black, before that their armour would have been unpainted to make sure they wouldn't be recognise by the DA.

I think a Ramilles Star Fort would be interesting but it is quite difficult and dangerous to move, unless it's a Star Fort from the Dark Age of Technology these might have more advanced engines.

 DaMekBoy1997 wrote:
I don't think the fact that Draigo and Azrael not getting along very well will be a problem since my DA will be a successor chapter.

Ah, missed that out

In the fluff though, the GKs know about the Fallen and use it to blackmail the DA, which would apply to their (known) successors. So if the GKs don't know your Chapter's a DA successor...