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For the Deceiver Shard's Grand Illusion, the rule states that D3 units can be redeployed or placed in reserve after infiltration/scout moves.

For the purposes of this rule, what counts as a unit?
Everything from Infantry to Vehicles?

Everything with a Datasheet describing it as a Unit.

JinxDragon wrote:
Everything with a Unit Datasheet.

And sometimes a little more, thanks to Independent Character shenanigans.

Charistoph wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Everything with a Unit Datasheet.

And sometimes a little more, thanks to Independent Character shenanigans.

like what?

Oberron wrote:

Charistoph wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Everything with a Unit Datasheet.

And sometimes a little more, thanks to Independent Character shenanigans.

like what?

A unit with 1 or more Independent Characters joined are all considered one unit so would all be moved as one use of that D3.

Ics and the unit they have joined are always 1 unit.

Transports get silly though.

They are absolutely separate units from eachother, so removing a transport with an embarked unit is removing 2 units... Maybe?

It should be allowed(as 1 unit) because the embarked unit has no permission to disembark and the deployment rules allow for both to be deployed together; but they are still technically 2 units being removed. HIWPI is to allow a full ghost ark to be removed and redeployed as 1 unit.

Throw into the mix possible timing concerns:
Independent Characters begin the game Joined, so it can be argued they are not Joined till after that point in the Timeline.

JinxDragon wrote:
Throw into the mix possible timing concerns:
Independent Characters begin the game Joined, so it can be argued they are not Joined till after that point in the Timeline.

Read the rest of the line where it tells you how ICs are joined before the game begins.

I am away from my books, so quote it here if you want me to dissect it sooner then midnight tonight.

JinxDragon wrote:
I am away from my books, so quote it here if you want me to dissect it sooner then midnight tonight.

By being declared joined to the unit in Reserves, or deployed in unit cohesion. By the time Scouts Redeployment has occurred, this should had already been determined if you are moving an IC with a unit.

Of course, you could theoretically move an IC that is not in a unit to join another unit with Grand Illusion. I'm a little nervous about considering moving him OUT of a unit, though.

An Independent Character can begin the game already with a unit, either by being deployed in unit coherency with it or, if the unit is in Reserve, by you informing your opponent of which unit it has joined.
- Independent Character

Doing so may cause the Independent Character to Begin the Game Joined to a Unit, but nothing within the Rule tells is they are Joined the moment the Independent Character is Deployed into Coherency.

JinxDragon wrote:
An Independent Character can begin the game already with a unit, either by being deployed in unit coherency with it or, if the unit is in Reserve, by you informing your opponent of which unit it has joined.
- Independent Character

Doing so may cause the Independent Character to Begin the Game Joined to a Unit, but nothing within the Rule tells is they are Joined the moment the Independent Character is Deployed into Coherency.

Then you need to keep reading the rest of the rule.

The rest of the Rule goes on to talk about Joining during the Movement Phase, how to leave a Unit, other Restrictions that only matter during the Game... how is that relevant?

JinxDragon wrote:
The rest of the Rule goes on to talk about Joining during the Movement Phase, how to leave a Unit, other Restrictions that only matter during the Game... how is that relevant?

It also states the conditions of how being in coherency affects joining. Timing is the only difference.

Why does one having the timing of 'Beginning of the Game' and other has the timing of 'End of the Movement Phase' matter at all?

More importantly,
Why does this allow us to treat the Unit as having been Joined before either of these points of the time-line?

JinxDragon wrote:Why does one having the timing of 'Beginning of the Game' and other has the timing of 'End of the Movement Phase' matter at all?

The reason to check the rest of the rules were to confirm on how being deployed in coherency worked.

JinxDragon wrote:More importantly,
Why does this allow us to treat the Unit as having been Joined before either of these points of the time-line?

You are looking at the wrong parts, I suppose. An IC is allowed to join a unit before the game beings by either being declared joined in Reserves or by being deployed in Coherency. This is done during Deployment, either standard or Infiltrate, which is before Scout Deployment. Scout Deployment is before the use of Grand Illusion.

You're skipping the HOW joining the unit is done and using that as an excuse to be confused about the timing of the whole situation.

Point conceded, unsure where I was going to go with this and doubt I will get a chance to look into it properly for a while.
I still see conditions that must be met before an outcome occurs at a specific point in time, just need to look into a few things if I get time....