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With better reviews on 30k over 40k, and the new board game coming out, I thought I'd try it out.

Already, I have everything for 40k, but what books do I need for 30k? The books I've seen don't seem to be listed as Core Rules, or Codex.

I'd like to start a Raven Guard, or Blood Angels army.

So basically, which books contain what rules, and is there anything else I would need?

40k Rulebook.

For general Legion Marine army list, either Horus Heresy, Book 1 - or - the red Crusade Army Book.

For Ravenguard rules, either Horus Heresy Book 3,- or - the red Istavaan Campaign Legion book.

The Books you NEED are both the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List (Your base book, currently all your legion rules for blood angels are there as BA dont have a legion entry yet) and Legiones Astartes Isstvan Campaign Legions (for legion rules on Alpha Legion,World Eaters,Raven Guard,Word Bearers,Sons of Horus,Imperial Fists,Night Lords and Salamanders)
If you choose Blood Angels, Add Furious Charge to any unit with the "Legiones Astartes" rules

They are Official rules, as they are from FW and use the current 40k ruleset
People are Iffy about 30k VS 40k so ask them first

You'll also need a Primarch.
I play World Eaterns and the Angron model from FW is awesome.
Primarchs are LoW in 30k.
Then I'd include another centerpiece like a Spartan tank.
Its a larger LR able to transport 25 Marines.

Obviously you don't need a Primarch, plus Corax and Sanguinius aren't even out yet.

someone else to play it with you should be a start, affording forgeworld resin in some kind of quantity is an expensive past time and i think that if you dont know anyone else who plays heresy then your probably going to have to play your army against 40k which is a matchup where you either steamroll or get absolutely crushed. this is mainly because heresy armies are designed to really fight heresy armies

 ionusx wrote:
someone else to play it with you should be a start, affording forgeworld resin in some kind of quantity is an expensive past time and i think that if you dont know anyone else who plays heresy then your probably going to have to play your army against 40k which is a matchup where you either steamroll or get absolutely crushed. this is mainly because heresy armies are designed to really fight heresy armies

If you face a 40k army with a HH army, then its better to play at a larger pt level, say 2000 to 2500 pts.
Units in 30k can usually be larger than in 40k, e.g., Tactical Marine squads are 10 to 20 models and there are no special weapons in the squad, up to the Sergeant. Bolters only. On the other hand, all Marines of a Dev squad have a heavy weapon, all of the same kind. The Serg can have a different one.

You need the pair of red books as has been mentioned. Then figure out what legion and which RoW you want to run for your army. Then make your decision on what models you need or don't need.

Raven Guard is fairly infantry heavy in general, but that's not to say you cant play one of the RG's armored companies or a terminator assault army. Far too many variables for a blanket statement that you need X.

RoW are Rites of War and they enhance and limit what you can bring. I use Orbital assault or Terror Assault as my Rite. Both are drop pod and aircraft heavy. But neither have any tanks or ground vehicles at all(except my Terror Assault list fields a Contemptor) because the limitations do not allow them for the most part.

My Iron Warrior army is built from Pride of the Legion RoW, where terminators and veterans count as compulsory troops. It has all my heavy vehicles and terminators, but the only power armor marines are the commander and an Iron Havoc squad.

So get the books, figure out what kind of army you want, then come back and ask.

Incidentally, I got a look at sprues in the upcoming HH boxset at my flgs, which had an early copy, and promptly preordered one. The sprues are stacked, especially considering its a board game. Was sorta expecting monobuild type stuff. Looks like a very very nice boxset.

Thanks for the posts! I've decided to play Blood Angels, seeing how I already have a 40k army of them. Would I be right in assuming that I'd only need the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List since they are not listed in Legiones Astartes Isstvan Campaign Legions according to commander dante?

Or, is the Isstvan Campaign book required?

The red Istavan Cmapaign Legion book doenst have rules for Blood Angels. That book is not required at all unless you want to play with the Legion Rules for the legions that it does contain.

 jasper76 wrote:
40k Rulebook.

For general Legion Marine army list, either Horus Heresy, Book 1 - or - the red Crusade Army Book.

For Ravenguard rules, either Horus Heresy Book 3,- or - the red Istavaan Campaign Legion book.

Wait, the FW books are not stand alone? You still need a 40k main book?

 SickSix wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
40k Rulebook.

For general Legion Marine army list, either Horus Heresy, Book 1 - or - the red Crusade Army Book.

For Ravenguard rules, either Horus Heresy Book 3,- or - the red Istavaan Campaign Legion book.

Wait, the FW books are not stand alone? You still need a 40k main book?

Yes, you still need the actual 40K rulebook to play the game. The Forgeworld books are more like very big Codexes.

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
Thanks for the posts! I've decided to play Blood Angels, seeing how I already have a 40k army of them. Would I be right in assuming that I'd only need the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List since they are not listed in Legiones Astartes Isstvan Campaign Legions according to commander dante?

Or, is the Isstvan Campaign book required?

That's correct yeah. There aren't actually rules for blood Angels yet (they'll be in book 6, or some of them anyway) but there's a thing that says if you're playing a legion with no rules yet you take Furious Charge or... Something else I can't remember. Furious Charge is probably the fluffier choice for BA anyway

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
Thanks for the posts! I've decided to play Blood Angels, seeing how I already have a 40k army of them. Would I be right in assuming that I'd only need the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List since they are not listed in Legiones Astartes Isstvan Campaign Legions according to commander dante?

Or, is the Isstvan Campaign book required?

That's correct yeah. There aren't actually rules for blood Angels yet (they'll be in book 6, or some of them anyway) but there's a thing that says if you're playing a legion with no rules yet you take Furious Charge or... Something else I can't remember. Furious Charge is probably the fluffier choice for BA anyway

Stubborn or Furious Charge is the default options. However, there are two extra BA rules hidden away. There is a relic for them in HH4, and the Imperial Fists rules for the Assault Cannon also state the Blood Angels have it, too.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
Thanks for the posts! I've decided to play Blood Angels, seeing how I already have a 40k army of them. Would I be right in assuming that I'd only need the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List since they are not listed in Legiones Astartes Isstvan Campaign Legions according to commander dante?

Or, is the Isstvan Campaign book required?

That's correct yeah. There aren't actually rules for blood Angels yet (they'll be in book 6, or some of them anyway) but there's a thing that says if you're playing a legion with no rules yet you take Furious Charge or... Something else I can't remember. Furious Charge is probably the fluffier choice for BA anyway

Stubborn or Furious Charge is the default options. However, there are two extra BA rules hidden away. There is a relic for them in HH4, and the Imperial Fists rules for the Assault Cannon also state the Blood Angels have it, too.

Good catch, forgot about them. Their relic is pretty damned good too.

The next regular book is rumored to have the legion traits and Rites of War for the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and White Scars so you will need the one red book and the next main release

Yeah, Raven Guard should both red books.

Blood Angels, get the first one and wait whilst you build your force up. You'll only get the Primarch a no some special units in your own book anyway, the rest of the stuff will be the same.

Thanks for the help. I've already ordered the Army List book, and I'll build a standard force until the BA book comes out.