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2015/11/23 02:09:58
Subject: Renegades+Heretics: is a non-god aligned force doable?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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In considering uses for my 30k mechanicum troops I am considering using the 40k Renegades and Heretics list to act as an "alternate reality" list in which they're expelled from the Cult Mechanicus for using forbidden automata.
I was thinking of using the Heretek Magos HQ, with Heretek Marauders (accompanied by crazed Thallax as Brutes) and Spawn as unshackled Vorax/Castellax automata.
My question is, does the R+H list function without chaos alignments/blessings? Or is that really a fundamental part of the whole codex, that you don't really function without?
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2015/11/23 05:16:28
Subject: Renegades+Heretics: is a non-god aligned force doable?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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The only real use for the chaos covenants is taking them on your warlord to unlock different unit options (like Nurgle unlocking plague zombies). The mark them selves don't do anything significant and mostly just add a little flavor.
The big problem with your list idea is that you can't take Spawn without taking covenant of tzeentch on your Arch-demagogue.
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2015/11/23 10:12:50
Subject: Renegades+Heretics: is a non-god aligned force doable?
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Dakka Veteran
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Alot of the things that make Renegades powerful are not related to Covenants or unlocked equipment from a Devotion, so unaligned Renegades are perfectly viable. Heretek is my favourite for unlocking all that feel no pain that doesn't rely on the units character staying alive (nurgle).
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2015/11/23 12:10:03
Subject: Renegades+Heretics: is a non-god aligned force doable?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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 CrownAxe wrote:The only real use for the chaos covenants is taking them on your warlord to unlock different unit options (like Nurgle unlocking plague zombies). The mark them selves don't do anything significant and mostly just add a little flavor.
The big problem with your list idea is that you can't take Spawn without taking covenant of tzeentch on your Arch-demagogue.
I thought that was spawn as troops. I may be wrong but if your arch demagogue is warlord don't you get to take a couple units of spawn?
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2015/11/23 14:15:39
Subject: Renegades+Heretics: is a non-god aligned force doable?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Only if you have a mark of tzeetnch or are a mutant overlord.
I mean this is an error in the list, it should be an elites option for everyone.
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2015/11/23 18:20:42
Subject: Renegades+Heretics: is a non-god aligned force doable?
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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The spawn are also non compulsory troops, so you still need a troop choice.
Mutant rabble exists for a mere 30pt, and you have pretty much unlimited conversion options for it.
Arch demagogue is our Commander dude, it has a rule called "Master of Renegades" that unlocks other fun stuff for the army, like Tzeentch giving spawn as troops, or Slaanesh giving Noise Marines. Not having a mark (Covenant) unlocks 0-3 units of chaos marauders, which are an elites choice.
In any event, your AD MUST be your warlord for any of their effects to take place.
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