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Are they worth thier points? 55 pts for 3 seems pretty good, considering getting 6 of them to fill my 2 mandatory elite slots for The Purge detachment

Yes they are good.

Its completely debatable whether they are actual legal choices for the Vraks army though. They still have the requirement that they can only be taken through the Master of Renegades rule (which Vraks can't fufill because they don't get Covenant of Tzeentch). The Chaos Spawn entry isn't even suppose to be in the book, its suppose to be the Marauders entry (which does actually have permission to be taken from Master of Renegades but is MIA) but it got switched in an editing mistake.

Fram what i read there is a FAQ that says they are an legal elite choice for vraks

 ThePie wrote:
Fram what i read there is a FAQ that says they are an legal elite choice for vraks

There isn't an FAQ at all. All there is are FW email respones to people asking them about it. But emails from FW and GW aren't valid rules sources because they are inaccurate and inconsistent (since most of the time the person answering it is just a random customer service rep and not someone who actual is involved in writing the rules).

 CrownAxe wrote:

 ThePie wrote:
Fram what i read there is a FAQ that says they are an legal elite choice for vraks

There isn't an FAQ at all. All there is are FW email respones to people asking them about it. But emails from FW and GW aren't valid rules sources because they are inaccurate and inconsistent (since most of the time the person answering it is just a random customer service rep and not someone who actual is involved in writing the rules).

I see, but i don't doubt il not be allowed to use them in my playgroup

If someone plays it that way in an ITC tournament then it may have some street cred.

Chaos spawn are awesome. Tough, cheap, and fairly good in melee, and generally good distraction units.

I really wish they can carry a meltabomb or something to beat walkers with av12 and av13.

I play renegades on the regular. Both an email from FW and a rules query to Reece prior to the last LVO resulted in the go ahead for there use. They fill a standard elites slot, no restrictions.

 WhiteDevil wrote:
I play renegades on the regular. Both an email from FW and a rules query to Reece prior to the last LVO resulted in the go ahead for there use. They fill a standard elites slot, no restrictions.

Correct only for Siege of Vraks list. There are still restrictions for IA13 list.

 Intercessor wrote:

 WhiteDevil wrote:
I play renegades on the regular. Both an email from FW and a rules query to Reece prior to the last LVO resulted in the go ahead for there use. They fill a standard elites slot, no restrictions.

Correct only for Siege of Vraks list. There are still restrictions for IA13 list.

Yes. Siege of Vraks only.

For people who won't allow spawns in the name of RAW...

It says I can use them through the use of the Master of Renegades.
If my Arch-demagogue is not my warlord, he doesnt have that rule. If he is, he has the rule and 'use' it. For me, the requirement as indicated in this Imperial Armor book is fulfilled if my Arch-demagogue is my warlord. I am reading the book as it is written and not presuming there is an error in it.
You should not compare it to IA13 saying : 'I need mark of Tzeentch, but since I can't have it here, I can't have spawn neither'.

(It's obvious there are errors in the book, though : no Pinning rule for the quad launchers, no Gets hot for the Leman russ plasma gun and no Marauder entry, etc.)

 RenegadeKorps wrote:
It says I can use them through the use of the Master of Renegades.
If my Arch-demagogue is not my warlord, he doesnt have that rule. If he is, he has the rule and 'use' it. For me, the requirement as indicated in this Imperial Armor book is fulfilled if my Arch-demagogue is my warlord. I am reading the book as it is written and not presuming there is an error in it.
You should not compare it to IA13 saying 'I need mark of Tzeentch'.

(It's obvious there are errors in the book, though : no Pinning rule for the quad launchers, no Gets hot for the Leman russ plasma gun and no Marauder entry, etc.)

So I don't also need my Arch-Demagogue to have Covenant of Nurgle to unlock Plague Zombies, or Covenant of Khorne to unlock Blood Slaughters then right?

Grief wrote:
I really wish they can carry a meltabomb or something to beat walkers with av12 and av13.

Ally in a coven? Stick a sorc with bike/jump pack in each one.

I don't also need my Arch-Demagogue to have Covenant of Nurgle to unlock Plague Zombies, or Covenant of Khorne to unlock Blood Slaughters then right?

For these specific units, the rule says you need one of the Covenants. For the spawns, it only says you can take them through the use of the Master of Renegades rule. Since there is no other restriction or condition indicated, I take it to mean that I simply have to use the rule to include spawns. This is what is written, after all. So when I take zombies in my list (which requires the Nurgle covenant in their case), I'm using the Master of Renegade rule. From what is indicated in this Imperial armor, I fulfill at the same time the requirement for spawns, since I'm using the Master of Renegades rule.

With this reading, my only presupposition is that there is no error or incoherency in the book concerning the spawns (like a unit that cannot be taken). When people say you can't use them, not only do they disregard clear FW emails, but they moreover presuppose there is an error in the book. They dwell in the misty area of RAI. But hey, if one begins to presuppose there are errors in the books and the rules, one can say and invent whatever he wants. In this case, RAW is sufficiently coherent for the inclusion of spawns and for preserving the coherency of the book.

(I do think there was an oversight when writing the book, but I do not presuppose it when include spawns in my lists. In fact, I presuppose the contrary, namely that the book is well written, as explained above.) (Do heavy quad launchers cause Pinning tests is another question )

As for the OP question, yeah, totally worth it in an army that otherwise lack mobility for objective holding.

Except that's not a consistent interpretation of the rules. Both Renegade Spawn and Plague Zombies have the same reference of the Master of Renegades rule. It is not fair to let one unit it use it as a permission to be used and another unit with the same exact rule not be able to use it.

There is also the fact that "through the use of the Master of Renegades" isn't a rule unto itself but is just referencing how it is actually down (which is why it is mentioned parenthetically)

"through the use of the Master of Renegades" isn't a rule

Master of Renegades is a rule in itself. I'm just saying that as long as I have a model with that rule (with an Arch-Demagogue as warlord), I'm satisfying all the book requirements for the spawn entry.
I admit it implies a discrepancy in the 'writing', but there are a lot of such discrepancies in FW books. In this case, my reading is imo the closest to the rule as written. Cheers!

 RenegadeKorps wrote:

"through the use of the Master of Renegades" isn't a rule

Master of Renegades is a rule in itself. I'm just saying that as long as I have a model with that rule (with an Arch-Demagogue as warlord), I'm satisfying all the book requirements for the spawn entry.
I admit it implies a discrepancy in the 'writing', but there are a lot of such discrepancies in FW books. In this case, my reading is imo the closest to the rule as written. Cheers!

"Master of Renegades" is a rule.

(May only be selected through the use of Master of Renegades special rule) is not a rule. It's telling you how you can pick Chaos Spawn, not that in doing so lets you take Chaos Spawn.

Like I said, when my Arch-demagogue is my Warlord, I'm using the rule. The rule says it allows some units to be taken depending on the Covenant. Since nothing else is said concerning spawns, but since their entry nonetheless says «May only be selected through the use of Master of Renegades special rule», the only consistent reading is that I can have include them regardless of the covenant chosen, as long as my Arch-demagogue is my warlord (there is still this condition). My 'presupposition' is that the rules are consistent, but is there a better hermeneutical approach?

The FW responses I have read is that Spawn are legit in vraks, and marauders were just missing, not that it was a swap.

In any event, the time it takes FW to release an official response is embarrassing.