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So played one of my first games with my ravenwing deathwing, only 1k point.

Went up against necrons, lost ultimately, my terminators preformed like champions until the end, taking out pretty much anything they got in melee combat with, but that overlord was fully loaded out, and i did not last long.

My bikes on the other hand, all 9 of them, i did not make a single jink save the whole game, one died to a charge, the other lost 2 to getting shot, and the last group lost a guy to getting shot before going down in combat.


Was i just rolling bad? or are ravenwing bikes not as strong as i thought they were on paper?

Might be both. Jink gives you a decent pass rate but if you believe what the Internet says about...well everything you're in for a bad time.

pm713 wrote:
Might be both. Jink gives you a decent pass rate but if you believe what the Internet says about...well everything you're in for a bad time.

Ah just on paper it seemed good, a 50% chance to save seems pretty good.

But damn, i learned a valuable lesson, necron lords are Strong as hell

 Backspacehacker wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Might be both. Jink gives you a decent pass rate but if you believe what the Internet says about...well everything you're in for a bad time.

Ah just on paper it seemed good, a 50% chance to save seems pretty good.

But damn, i learned a valuable lesson, necron lords are Strong as hell

You reroll failed Jink saves with Ravenwing.

People talk about the Ravenwing jink because it can be made to a 2+ re-rollable, which is pretty obnoxious.

 Imateria wrote:
People talk about the Ravenwing jink because it can be made to a 2+ re-rollable, which is pretty obnoxious.

Yeah in my 1500 point list I dont run a darkshroud, in my 1850 and 2k list i do, 2+ rerollable seems very nasty

pm713 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Might be both. Jink gives you a decent pass rate but if you believe what the Internet says about...well everything you're in for a bad time.

Ah just on paper it seemed good, a 50% chance to save seems pretty good.

But damn, i learned a valuable lesson, necron lords are Strong as hell

You reroll failed Jink saves with Ravenwing.

Yep could not make a 4 to save my life....literally.

I would say your biggest problem is mixing RW and DW at 1k points. Use Black Knigjts with a Dark shroud and most of your problems go away

Crazy Jay wrote:
I would say your biggest problem is mixing RW and DW at 1k points. Use Black Knigjts with a Dark shroud and most of your problems go away

I admit its for fluff

 Backspacehacker wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Might be both. Jink gives you a decent pass rate but if you believe what the Internet says about...well everything you're in for a bad time.

Ah just on paper it seemed good, a 50% chance to save seems pretty good.

But damn, i learned a valuable lesson, necron lords are Strong as hell

If you retooled jink (4+ sv) then it's a bit better then 50% it's 75%.
Also it depends how you play them utilizing terrain and/or night fighting only makes the ravenwing reroll more obnoxious.
Most armies don't have plentiful ignore cover but armies like tau make ravenwing armies cry.

gungo wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Might be both. Jink gives you a decent pass rate but if you believe what the Internet says about...well everything you're in for a bad time.

Ah just on paper it seemed good, a 50% chance to save seems pretty good.

But damn, i learned a valuable lesson, necron lords are Strong as hell

If you retooled jink (4+ sv) then it's a bit better then 50% it's 75%.
Also it depends how you play them utilizing terrain and/or night fighting only makes the ravenwing reroll more obnoxious.
Most armies don't have plentiful ignore cover but armies like tau make ravenwing armies cry.

Oh i fully accept im boned against Tau, the only hope i would have is some how make it close enough to drop terminators, Or manage to get a mind wipe off on their larger mechs

I appreciate that you want to build a fluffy list, I just think in general 1000 points is two low to do two expensive aspects of our army. I tend to save the RW/DW mash ups for 1850+

Crazy Jay wrote:
I appreciate that you want to build a fluffy list, I just think in general 1000 points is two low to do two expensive aspects of our army. I tend to save the RW/DW mash ups for 1850+

Oh yeah, it was not even my complete list, my ravenwing deathwing list was kitted for 1500, 1850, and 2k

The 1k list was like thrown together.