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So, with the new Traitor Legion rules, who comes out on top? The KDK or World Eaters?

The Traitor Legion rules make a lot of standard units better by expanding on the benefits from the MoK, but is enough to challenge KDK?

Goooood Question.

The blood tithe is pretty great.
Buuut. Fearless and furious charge. For free. plus extra leadership and hatred space marines. For free always. better than blood tithe?

The detachment bonus world eater get is also excellent, and the formations to take much kinder than the KDK mess.

With one exception.. the gorpack is still excellent. And KDK hounds are very welcome in WE armies.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
With one exception.. the gorpack is still excellent. And KDK hounds are very welcome in WE armies.

Yeah, these are the gems of KDK and one of things that makes KDK strong.

Haven't played with the new TL rules yet, but my hunch is that they have more flexibility in list building even if they can't reach the peek power of KDK.

When I played KDK I always felt like I only had a few scary units while everything else was just used to tie down the enemy. With WE, the lists I make actually feel like everything can be scary or fill some other role. I'm excited to start actually playing with marine models again and not just deamons.

I'm curious to see a KDK vs WE battle report.
Can you play one ?

Think when the dust settles it'll probably be combo lists that come out on top.

e.g. take a lord on jugger with tali and slap him in a massive unit of flesh hounds 15" move 2d6+3 charge woo

remember you only need one model in the unit to have the BFTBG rule to generate BT points.

Take a CA/allies with heralds and min bloodletters/cultists, pt the heralds in your nasty WE units and let the BT points flow. Granted its only really useful to get summoning stuff.

It can be pretty tricky in general though because on first look it seems the 'marine' units in KDK got a nerf in that book because in WE they are just baseline better e.g. fearless and furious charge for the same pts cost but in dedicated KDK you can get that FC back with BT not to mention the other buffs like +1 attack which is huge as is FnP. I'd say the WE stuff is probably more reliable which is what you want from expensive units so go KDK if you lean more towards daemons with a splattering of CSM like gorepack.

The 3" move from Khorne CSM, will not transfer to the hounds. Sure you can string it out, but effectively its only a 2" bonus to maintain unit coherency. Still pretty solid, I think you better off sticking the Guy in Spawns, and take the Sons of Angron, start 12 + 2d6 inches on the table and able to charge first turn, with fleet.

The talisman of burning blood will absolutely transfer to hounds. The other detachment movement bonuses won't, which is irritating. You can easily have infantry outpacing the hounds... Funnn

OH I beg your pardon, your are correct Apologies.

The possibilities are enticing. Heralds on Juggers with your Berzerkers or CSM from WE. The problem is they already get a good amount of Hatred, and they already get Rage. There's no Loci you can give them that would make them meaner unless you were against something psyker heaver and brought more Ada will with a collar for literally 2+ deny the witch rolls for offensive spells.

Which is absolutely tasty and fluffy. Mayhaps I will give my 10k Sons playing roommate a nasty surprise in our next game.